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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by The Lamb Rescued Me, Sep 16, 2019.

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  1. Van

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    Asked and answered.
     
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    Actually you didn't answer it. You just said that is before instead of since and it was absurd but never dealt with the actual question.
     
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    Nowhere does the word of God teach when we are born anew, we are enrolled in book of life.
    Now you do not agree Psalms 69:28 to be that book. The first reference of a book where names are removed is Exodus 32:33, calls it His book. That Psalm gives it a name. And is identified in Revelation. It is a matter of interpretations where the text is not explicit or silent all together.
     
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    The book of the living and the Lamb's book of life are not the same book.
     
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    [Significant Edit to correct my error]

    According to Hebrews 12:23, names are enrolled in the general assembly after they have been made perfect, which means after being born anew. However, the names of Christ's disciples were apparently enrolled in heaven during Christ's lifetime, which means before they were born anew. Luke 10:20. But in any case those enrolled were believers chosen by God.

    Thus Philippians 4:3 refers to the New Covenant Lamb’s book of Life, where once you are enrolled, Jesus has promised to never remove your name. This is certified by Revelation 3:5 which states that he who overcomes, a reference to being born again by the will of God, shall not have is name blotted out.
     
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    Um, Hebrews 12:23 doesn't say anything about when.

    I've got news for you, they still have not been made perfect. Nobody has been made perfect as we have not yet received our glorified bodies.

    Where?
     
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    Those enrolled have been, past tense, made perfect. Please spare us your argument that made perfect does not really mean made perfect
     
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    Their spirit has been made perfect, but the full has not been made perfect. And again, Hebrews 12:23 doesn't say when they were enrolled. Doesn't say the were written the moment they were saved. There is no way you can make that claim from that verse. All that verse affirms is that they are already written there meaning it happened sometime in the past.
     
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    To repeat, they were enrolled after their spirits were made perfect, which means after they were born anew, after God put them in Christ, after He chose them based on crediting their faith as righteousness.
     
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    And to repeat the question, where do you get that from Scripture?
     
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    There is no indication that the enrollment was after. The sentence of Heb.12:23 is structured to where no discernible difference in time can be determined.

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    Asked and answered!
     
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    Where????? What post????
     
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    Not a single one of those texts speak of when being entered in order to be "enrolled" into the book of life.
     
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    Check out out Lifeway's howler of an ad campaign for the HCSB from several years ago. The very selling points Lifeway was emphasizing so, have been abandoned in its revamped 'CSB'!

    Full page ad with an earnest looking young man telling us that "The Name is Yahweh"

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    LOL, the remainder of the ad copy assured us that:

    "God gave us his personal name, which is why you’ll see it in the Holman Christian Standard Bible. Accuracy, one of the reasons you’ll love reading any of the HCSB digital or print editions."
     
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    Another full page ad with another rather pensive chap admonishing "Are we servants or slaves?":

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    The ad copy at bottom intoned:

    "Slaves had no rights, but some servants did. So when readers see Christians called to be Christ’s slaves in the Holman Christian Standard Bible, the radical nature of discipleship is clearer. Accuracy, one of the reasons you’ll love reading any of the HCSB digital or print editions."

    Oh boy.
     
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    They also had a half face gal asking, "Looking for The Messiah?"

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    Ad copy touted:

    "The coming of the Messiah satisfied centuries of Jewish longings. Sometimes readers miss this, mistaking the title Christ for Jesus' last name. In Jewish contexts, you'll see "Messiah" used in the Holman Christian Standard Bible. Continuity, one of the reasons you'll love reading any of the HCSB digital or print editions"

    [CSB backed off many instances where HCSB had 'Messiah']
     
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    The HCSB is possibly the worst professional translation ever made. I'd use the New World Translation over HCSB.

    The HCSB in many places "Christ" to Messiah, as part of its effort to judaize Christianity and assault the credibility of scripture. Every page of the HCSB just has really stupid, if not crooked, translation choices. Every page!

    A lot of HCSB's garbage was removed, or watered own, with the CSB update. But, probably over time, that garbage will be added back, per the boiling frog principle. It's like when the NIV people first came out with a gender-neutral version based on the NIV, the TNIV, it cashed and burned in the market. But, over time, people got use gender-natural, the NIV added those changes and the NIV remained a best seller.
     
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    As long as Schreiner is co-chair, I don't see the CSB taking a step back.

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