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Tell Others That Jesus Died For Them ?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Rippon, Apr 3, 2006.

  1. rjprince

    rjprince Active Member

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    JD,

    Sorry. NOW I SEE WHAT I DID. I WROTE "JD" when I meant to write "JN". My Bad.

    That should have been to James Newman as my last post could have indicated... (sorry, needed to edit)
     
  2. J.D.

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    1. Spurgeon was a full 5-point, orthodox, Calvinist.

    2. No ulterior motives suspected. You're alright in my book. But you better watch me. [​IMG]

    3. If by man-centered, you mean "great men" instead of "great doctrine", I agree. But remember the SOL's heritage is in standing against liberalism and modernism, which they continue to do well IMO, and they feature those historical men that stood in the gap.

    4. I'm KJO, so I can't agree with you on that one. I think the sword has a moderate KJO position, but I'm not sure exactly what it is.

    5. Hyper-seperation: I think they've made some decisions they didn't want to but had to. I am with them when it comes to their stand against contemporary music and other such modern inovations; but on the other hand, we IFB's are WAY too suspicious of others.
     
  3. Calvibaptist

    Calvibaptist New Member

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    You are wrong.

    1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

    Here, John tells us his purpose for writing is two-fold:
    1) that you (who already believe) may know (have assurance) that you have eternal life
    2) that you (who already believe) may continue to believe.

    It is written for assurance and perseverance. Even most Arminians believe that.


    John 14:21-24 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him." 22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?" 23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.

    Jesus equates believing in Him with loving Him. Evidence of loving Him is obedience to Him. Sounds pretty simple to me.

    Are you saying that those who just believe are not promised a kingdom and to get that privilege you also have to take the additional step of loving Him?

    I guess that is what you are saying. I disagree then. All those who believe do love Him and will reign with Him.

    Revelation 3:21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

    All those who overcome will sit with Jesus on His throne.

    1 John 5:4-5 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world -- our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

    All those who believe overcome.

    Therefore, all those who believe will sit with Jesus on His throne.

    Nice syllogism...

    Every believer will have fruit (good works)

    Ephesians 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

    Philippians 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
     
  4. James_Newman

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    Who is called but not chosen?
     
  5. Helen

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    good question. I hope they don't ignore it.
     
  6. johnp.

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    1 Cor 1:30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God--that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

    You boast of yourself standingfirmin, it is because of God the Father that I am in Christ.

    john.
     
  7. James_Newman

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    Well, we'll just keep hoping ;)
     
  8. Rippon

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    There is the external call in which many hear the gospel -- but it is not the effectual call where someone is brought to Christ by the drawing of the Father . Many are called , but few are chosen .

    Getting back to something I said in the beginning : All of you acknowledge that only the people whose names are written in the Lamb's Book Of Life will be saved . Only those will spend eternity in glory with the Lord . They are the redeemed ones without a question . How can any others be in the special number who you say Christ died for ? In what sense ,( I don't know how else to say it )can those whose destiny is perdition be considered people Christ died for ? He died for them , but yet He didn't die for them ? How do you deal with that ? Christ's death for non-Calvinists sounds more and more like the Roman Catholic treasury of merit . It's there . You just have to avail yourself of it .
     
  9. James_Newman

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    So you believe that there is more than one 'call' in the bible. How would you prove the difference between the calling in 1 Corinthians 1:26 and the called in Matthew 22:14?
     
  10. Timtoolman

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    Of merit?!!!! HOw out of touch with reality can a person be that is a calvinist! There is none any further! They Rule! According to calvinist if I am in a hole and someone throws me a rope and I grab it I can give all the thanks to myself. If God who sent His son as a payment, sent His Spirit to convict, gave His word etc on and on and someone accepts that work...it is all of the person who accepts the work. What absurdy! I am sorry I am struggling with this, but this is just stupidity at its highest! There is much that makes sense to me about calvinism lately I admitt. But this type of logic is nothing but ignorance!
     
  11. Rippon

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    The ones called in I Cor.1:26 are under the same classification as those described in Romans 8:28-30 . They are effectually called . The ones invited in Matt.22:14 and Luke 14:24 are not chosen , but rejected .
     
  12. Rippon

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    Mr. Tool get a grip . You did not like my post . I guess the last few sentences especially got to you . What about what I addressed in the rest of my remarks ?
     
  13. Timtoolman

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    Didn't read them, just your last post and the absurdity of it. Not much there too make me go back and read more of what you have to say.
     
  14. rsr

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    Topic is closed.
     
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