Featured Terms speaking of God and Man's role in Salvation

I wasn't accusing you specifically. I was speaking to myself and anyone else tempted to be overconfident. Certainly a study of God's word will reward us in understanding the basics 2Tim. 3:16-17. The deep mysteries of why and how God does things is different. I think it's healthy to doubt our knowledge in some areas. Somethings are indeed too wonderful to understand.

 

I think it goes far beyond the basics ( what exactly are "the basics", anyway? ).

With respect, I think we've had this conversation before.

If it's between the pages, I hold that there are no deep mysteries that are withheld from His children.
1 John 2:20-27.

Agreed.

But I don't think a believer will stay there forever.
Again, we can rightly divide the word of truth with enough study...

2 Timothy 2:15.

 

I don't recall having this conversation with you before. You may be confusing me with someone else.

And I disagree with you on many of the mysteries you claim to understand. My hard work and study are brining me to some very different conclusions. But I wouldn't bet my eternity of any of it.

 

I realize that you do, and it saddens me.

However, I'll speak no more of this in this thread.
The topic is "terms", and we've wandered from it.

Let us return to it, shall we?
I'm sure Jon wouldn't mind.

 

And you say your not smug? Perfectionism borders on cult-like thinking, which saddens me.

 

No, I'm not smug.

I'm confident in who the Lord has made me to be, and why He saved me.
To the praise of the glory of His grace, Cal.
My salvation has nothing to do with me,
What I do or do not know about the Bible has nothing to do with me, either.

If I get anything right, it's by His grace and mercy...
And I will never claim credit for one iota of it.

At all.

What saddens me, is that so many of my brothers and sisters have one thing that they could do to help them to grow, and like me, so many don't take it seriously until later in life.
That is why I urge people to study His word and to spend quality time in it.

What I'm trying to get across in my not-so-gentle manner is, that He waits patiently for us to simply pick it up and join Him ( Revelation 3:20 ).
So, let us do that, because He has much to show us that is important, my friend.



Good evening to you, and may He bless you in many ways.

 

You may not be. Your comment was.

Grace and peace.

 

Great, stop using that characterization

 

It also seems that I should be more thorough in my reading of what people write.

I ask your forgiveness, sir.

 

Thanks, makes sense what you just said, but that is not what he said. He said pelagianism is monergestic.

 

I have not read any of the posts after the OP so this is just addressing the OP.

"Salvation depends." Now "depends" could refer to lots of things, God, Jesus, Sacrificial Sacrifice, and so forth. Can God save anyone of His choosing? Of course. So salvation does not depend on the person being saved, Romans 9:16. However, did God choose to save those whose faith He credits as righteousness? Yes. So the autonomous choice of the person being saved played a part in God's choice.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 teaches God chose people for salvation through or on the basis of faith (as determined by God).

All this bogus doctrine that God chooses a person unconditionally, then causes the person have faith in Christ, is simply a denial of dozens of verses making reference to salvation through or on the basis of faith.

Does our faith, as flawed as it may be, earn or merit or justify our salvation? Of course not, God turns our sows ear faith into the needed silk purse.

So the Biblical view in monergistic (Romans 9:16), depending on God alone, but God's salvation includes crediting our faith (or not) so we play a part (syerngistic).

 

That very point that you made here in regards to those holding to Pelagianism seeing themselves able to freely decide by themselves to accept Jesus is why that view has been seen as being Heresy by the Historical Church!

 

Best theology to me for outlining synergistic view would be the Sacramental Catholic model!

 

I think that many of us here need to get thicker skinned, and realise when we are just jesting with each other, as in :calvie, Dispy, presbie etc"

 

Yes man has a role in his own salvation, receiving it as wholly from God as an underserved gift, Romans 6:23.

 

Then the question is are we trusting in Jesus based upon our own free will, based upon God gracing it, our faith or due to toGod giving the gift of faith to us?