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Featured Texas Baptist Church to Allow Ministers to Perform Same Sex Marriages

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by InTheLight, May 27, 2019.

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  1. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Wow, just wow! That it has to be said even
     
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    Why the surprise? Such statements are nothing new:

    ARBCA • 1689 London Baptist Confession

    "Marriage is to be between one man and one woman"
     
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    What are you saying? To be clear, I’m a New Testament Christian ie no women pastors, no homosexual promiscuity, and a foot washing ordinance :Wink
     
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    I saw this coming. Churches who provide for divorce and remarriage (adultery) have no logical reason not to provide SSM. Both sins carried equal weight under the OT.
     
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    Here is the point... they stop being Christian churches.
     
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    I don't see the N.T. being any different.
     
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    IN THE NAME OF GOD!
     
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    Church cuts ties with liberal group:

    May 31 • Waco's University Baptist Church voluntarily cuts ties wth Baptist General Convention of Texas

    "'We have been grateful for our partnership with the BGCT, but decided that since UBC developed a position that differs from that of the convention, it was in both parties’ best interest to end the formal relationship peacefully,' [Pastor Josh] Carney wrote in a May 30 email."

    "'I know God will continue to do great things through BGCT, and UBC will celebrate that work. Dr. (David) Hardage (the BGCT executive director) has been gracious through this process, and I look forward to our continued friendship.'"

    "Joshua Minatrea, BGCT communications director, confirmed in a May 31 email the BGCT 'received and accepted a letter of voluntary withdrawal' from University Baptist. 'We appreciate the church’s historical relationship with the convention, and the nature of Pastor Carney’s respectful withdrawal,' Minatrea said."
     
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    Liberal group?
     
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    I thought there were two ordinances and marriage wasn't one of them.
     
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    So what's your point?
     
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    What kind of anti-Biblical nonsense are they talking? That is heresy to allow that sin and bring the filth of it into the church. Devil blesses that kind of sin, God does not! Romans 1 talks about them.
     
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    A compromise advocated by the current chief ethicist of the Southern Baptist Convention, Russell Moore:

    Southern Baptists, Gay Community Hold Conference

    "What if you get invited to a same-sex wedding ceremony?" Russell Moore, president of the SBC's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, was asked on stage. "In that case, I would not attend the wedding. I would attend the reception," he responded. In that way, he said, a Baptist could say, "I love you and I'm here with you. I disagree with you, but I love you."
     
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    Jonathan Leeman (SWBTS Trustee) warns against condemnatory dogmatism regarding those who reach different conclusions on such matters. He explains that while he personally would not attend a gay wedding ceremony, he would not condemn those who do:

    Elder Jonathan Leeman • Cheverly Baptist Church • Don’t Be a 9Marxist!

    "I want...you to feel nervous about binding people’s consciences when you’re out on the tree branch of a logical extension from Scripture. Let me give an illustration (and the important thing here is not that you agree with my posture on the illustration itself): Suppose a church member asks me, “Can I attend the wedding ceremony of my gay son?

    I personally would not attend, since it seems to give approval to the sinful relationship. In fact, the assembly’s affirmation of a marriage is part of what makes the wedding a covenant-making ceremony.

    That said, I have to combine a couple of logical steps to reach this conclusion. So I would warn the inquiring church member about the very real possibility of sin in attending this wedding, but there’s just enough reserve in me because we’re dealing in the realm of logical implication or application...I would not move to excommunicate the parent who arrives at a different conclusion than me. Not only that, I’m also not going to informally separate myself from those parents, say, by adopting a scornful, condemning posture toward them.
     
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    Fully disagree! Many conservative pastor/churches will allowed a divorced person to be married a second time - but would NEVER allow a SSM!

    Dave - what do you base your opinion on?
     
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    = respect of persons. Divorce and remarriage = adultery. Both sins were equal in the OT and carried the death penalty.
     
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    Divorce was not punishable by the death penalty. And God make a concession for divorce. So, divorce is not a sin, since God would never make a concession for any sin. Not all divorce and remarriage was adultery.

    You need to read your Bible.
     
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    Adultery was punishable by death. Divorce and remarriage = adultery. The New Covenant does not provide for divorce = any divorced and remarried for any reason commit adultery.
     
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    Talk about biblical illiteracy

    Again, you need to read your Bible. Jesus allows for divorce in the event of marital infidelity in Matt. 5 and Matt. 19. And the Bible does not forbid remarriage. It only forbids remarriage in the case of invalid divorce. Since divorce for infidelity is not a sin and is permitted, remarriage in that case is permitted and is not adultery.

    You need to read your Bible.
     
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    That was the Old Covenant. Divorce is not an option in the New Covenant although pagans think differently.
     
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