The Apostasy

Howdy Carl

"The Lord will come like a thief in the night"

That day of "destruction will come on them suddenly ."

"That day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap."

If the rapture was pre-week the day of destruction would not come suddenly and unexpectedly. Several years would transpire between the rapture and that day of destruction giving ample forewarning before that day begins.
The only way that day could come suddenly is to have the Rapture immediately before the destruction during the "Peace and safety" initiated at the beginning of the week. The rapture cannot come at the beginning of the peace and safety it must end the peace in order for that day to come suddenly.

I know this will make sense to you, as to ED

 

It makes no sense to me.

People who do not believe in the
first of the week rapture seem to be
dreading the soon coming tribulation
period -- looking for the Antichrist
not the Christ.

People who believe in the first of
the week rapture seem to be
looking for the Master and Savior,
Messiah Yeshua.

Luke 21:36 (HCSB):
But be alert at all times, praying that
you may have strength to escape all
these things that are going to take
place, and to stand before the Son of Man."

 

The foolish man continues his tirade.

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Verse Search Results (The King James Version (Authorized))
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Your search query for '"Good grief"' did not return any results.

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This is nothing but MITIGATED MALICIOUSNESS. (Kidstuff according to Paul. See 1 Cor. 2-3,14)

Note how he BROKE UP his term, "falling away rapture".

He then tries to prooftext the FALSE TERM by using two passages with falling away in one (English) and a Latin text with the rapturo in the other.

No match folks. THE TERM HE USED IS FALSE. (Falling away rapture)

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What is the difference between falling away and caught up?
NONE, except the orientation of Jesus'es head.
If Jesus'es head is pointed away from the earth, then
the person is caught up; if Jesus'es head is pointed toward
the earth, then the person is falling away. BTW, for those
of you who think the rapture will be in an instant for all
people, then one one side of the earth the falling away
will take place and on the opposide side of the earth the
caught up will take place. It is according to where you watch
at the time of the rapture/resurrection.

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This is the aberrant teaching of a DELUSION, which is neither scriptural or biblical by ANY USE of the words, terms, and definitions IN THEIR CONTEXTS. It is a deceitful pipedream.

This man has now claimed that he has SPIRITUAL INSIGHT to which "none" have put in print, NOR IS RECORDED IN THE SCRIPTURES.

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Things obviously not understood in this thread:
1. Various ways of looking at the same event
(180 degree turn of the camera)

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No prooftext of biblical teaching by any verse of scripture.

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2. inclusive versus exclusive start point

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Falsehood. The day of Christ (our gathering) COMES BEFORE the day of the Lord. (1 Thess.4-5, 2 Thess.2)

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3. expanded exegesis by multiple Bible versions

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Multiple texts CONTRADICT one another from two different LINES of texts. (Alexandrian, Byzantine)

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4. poetic license

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Paul is teaching facts, not poetry. We will be CAUGHT UP. FALLING AWAY is not the term for the event.

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5. the change of meaning of english terms in the last 400 years

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All terms concerning this subject in the King James Bible are the same as we use TODAY. Caught up, falling away.

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6. the difference between "apostasy" and "heresy"

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The teaching of heresy LEADS to apostasy.

That's WHY we are to "nip it" in the bud, as Barney Fife would say.

Paul AGREED with this. (2 Tim.2)

1 Timothy 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

2 Timothy 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

2 Timothy 1:14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.

2 Timothy 1:15 This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.

1 Timothy 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Brother Ed, my vocabulary will do just fine for IDENTIFICATION of the falsity of your teaching.

 

Bro. Hank,

Thanks for your input and concern.

I try to adhere to Pauline principle, which sometimes IS harsh by "modern-day" let's get along standards.

False teaching ABOUNDS in Christianity. Laxity of REBUKE due to "perception" of being mean and nasty by others is wrong. Falsehood should be corrected. (See 2 Tim.4)

I have commended Ed previously on his long held belief of the pretrib rapture. It is NOW TIME to go on UNTO PERFECTION. Anyone who doesn't BECOMES "reprobate" unto the truth.

He has been CORNERED on the FALSITY of the 7 year tribulation, and preweek rapture. He has no verses. He wrests the scriptures, evades answers to the facts, and FABRICATES any number of "scenario's" from his mind. Those are GAMES without biblical support.

It is wrong.

No, I am not harsh on Ed, but FULFILLING "my" ministry of 2 Tim.4, which the Lord GAVE TO ME over 30 years ago.

I continue to do it AS NECESSARY, where
ever I go.

False teaching is heresy WHEN manifested by truth. Paul MANIFESTED the truth AND falsehood of rapture timing. Those unlucky enough to be caught were Hymaneous and Philetus. Ed has also been numbered among them.

I didn't come in "hollering" reprobate or heretic. I came in showing the verses, THEN when rejected, after the DISTORTIONS are given, it gets stronger.

It is NOW TIME to "scratch him off". (Titus 3) But I guarantee you, he will be right back AT ANY POST of mine, spouting the SAME FOOLISHNESS which cannot be proven by any scriptural comparison or biblical text.

Hope you understand my position.

Thanks again.

In Christ Jesus,
Carl

 

John 16:2 (HCSB):
They will ban you from the synagogues.
In fact, a time is coming when anyone
who kills you will think he
is offering service to God.

 

HankD: "Bother Carl, though my own leaning is toward
the position you hold, IMO you are being overly harsh
with Brother Ed concerning your different views on this matter."

Thank you. You appear to have read the rules on this board
and try to post by them.
You especially seem to incorporate the rule titled:
Show grace to the other posters. Again, thank you.

 

Bro. Hank,

Just so you will understand. It's not Ed, personally. It's the FALSE POSITION which he tries to justify and the MEANS by which he tries to justify it. That's all. He happens to be the one who stands for the teaching on this thread. The falsity is REDUNDANTLY repeated, so the "measured" RESPONSE has to be in counteraction of it.

Thanks for dropping by the site. Many of your questions can be answered there. There is also a place to post questions.


In Christ Jesus,
Carl

[ December 18, 2004, 07:57 PM: Message edited by: carlaimpinge ]