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The Army's hard sell

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Travelsong, Jun 28, 2005.

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  1. Travelsong

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/27/opinion/27herbert.html


    Maybe it's time for you war mongers to step up and contribute to your righteous cause?
     
    #1 Travelsong, Jun 28, 2005
  2. church mouse guy

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    We need capitulation and compromise just like we got in Korea and Viet Nam. We need to prove to the world that we will not spend our blood to win a war and a third withdrawal mid-war in 50 years should establish that once and for all.
     
    #2 church mouse guy, Jun 28, 2005
  3. KenH

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    Well, Travelsong, with people like you sabotaging the war effort with your anti-war rhetoric I am not surprised that the army is having some temporary difficulties in recruting. However, the navy and the air force are not having such problems.
     
    #3 KenH, Jun 28, 2005
  4. OCC

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    The U.S. navy rocks! And my girlfriend's brother is in the air force.

    But he has a point. All who "support" the war who are young enough...get off their butts and join up.
     
    #4 OCC, Jun 28, 2005
  5. OCC

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    By the way...it is sad that comments like that have to be made Ken. But you have as much right to make them as the people who are against the war make their statements. If I were American and was against the war as a citizen...I'd say come and make me change my mind.
     
    #5 OCC, Jun 28, 2005
  6. Enoch

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    Travelsong since you voted for the war what does that make you. And by the way you did not answer my questions in the other thread.

    King James how old are you? I am thinking Jr. High? Am I correct? [​IMG]
     
    #6 Enoch, Jun 28, 2005
  7. OCC

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    Enoch...no you are not correct. Funny how you make a stupid accusation yet provide no basis for such. For one I am 30. For another...we don't have "junior high" here. Keep it up Enoch...I read about "prating fools" in the Bible today...
     
    #7 OCC, Jun 28, 2005
  8. OCC

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    And Enoch...you said that trash to me because???
     
    #8 OCC, Jun 28, 2005
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    Travelsong, whatever did you do to sabatoge the war effort? Did you join up with the Senator Durbin? Did you criticize the job our troops are doing? Did you sell critical intelligence to America's enemies? Are you giving aid and comfort to Saudi Arabia or Syria?

    Or is exercising your 1st Amendment Rights under the US Constitution sabatoging the war effort?

    Climb on board the regime change train. All aboard!
     
    #9 LadyEagle, Jun 28, 2005
  10. Travelsong

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    Duped.

    Which was?
     
    #10 Travelsong, Jun 28, 2005
  11. Travelsong

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    Hooray for the media. At least they're good for something. It's important for kids to know the futility of this war. Let them see what's really going on over there and decide for themselves if this is a noble cause.
     
    #11 Travelsong, Jun 28, 2005
  12. KenH

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    I agree that our young men and women should decide for themselves whether to defend their family and friends and the rest of us in the United States.
     
    #12 KenH, Jun 28, 2005
  13. Travelsong

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    Which means you also agree that those who are over there now should be forced to bear the burden of this entire war, because nobody wants to be a part of it any longer.
     
    #13 Travelsong, Jun 28, 2005
  14. KenH

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    That is not true.
     
    #14 KenH, Jun 28, 2005
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    Those lefties who want to bail out of Iraq are inviting more 9/11's. But if they get that warm fuzzy feeling I guess its OK.
     
    #15 OldRegular, Jun 28, 2005
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    Travelsong,

    Upon reflection, I want to apologize for my use of the word "sabotage" in referring to you. I think that was much too strong of a word for me to have used.

    Ken
     
    #16 KenH, Jun 28, 2005
  17. OCC

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    I forgot one more important factoid "Enoch".

    Jr. High (which we don't have) is not an "age". Age is a number, jr. high is a grade level. :cool:
     
    #17 OCC, Jun 28, 2005
  18. Travelsong

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    No problemo my friend. I simply believe we are living on borrowed time. The billions and billions of dollars wasted on this war could have been used to secure our borders and provide a system for tracking everything that enters this country which might pose a potential threat.

    I concede the possibility that Bush may have had good intentions regarding Iraq, but I also have come to the conclusion that the dissenters were in fact correct from the beginning. This war was sold on a false premise. Iraq did not attack us on 9/11 nor was it even indirectly involved.

    I honestly don't wish our troops to fail, but I know you can't fight a fanatical enemy who would gladly commit suicide to kill a few dozen innocents. This was a war no one could have predicted and the U.S. is not prepapared or able to fight it.
     
    #18 Travelsong, Jun 29, 2005
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    The enemy in the field is far less dangerous than the enemy at home. Just like Vietnam.
     
    #19 carpro, Jun 29, 2005
  20. Travelsong

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    So if the overwhelming majority of Americans threw their support behind this war you believe that would discourage and quell the fanaticism of the enemy to the point that all of these suiced bombers and insurgents would give up? I think you underestimate their determination. Bush had our support for quite some time. He was not prepared for this kind of war. Therein lies our defeat. Our youth will not be convinced that this is a noble cause they should be willing to sacrifice their lives for, because the only reason we are committed to staying at this point is to save face. And I agree with you, it was the same in Vietnam.

    At some point the human toll will be too costly to go on and we will have no choice but to pull out.
     
    #20 Travelsong, Jun 29, 2005
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