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    Made us dead to the Law ! 6

    Continuing with that thought of Union with Christ legally, and because of it, who and what we are as sinners by nature, the children of wrath as others Eph 2:3, that was crucified with Christ, so we read Rom 6:6

    6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

    In the original, it would better read, " Knowing this, that our old man was [past tense] crucified with Him "

    Thats True only because of being in Union with Him. The original word for crucified systauroō actually means:

    I.to crucify along with the word with denoting a Union association ! Thats Union with Christ !

    Paul says the same thing of himself personally, though as just seen, it applys to all for whom He died Gal 2:20

    I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    Again, thats past tense, was crucified with Christ ! And notice, out of that and nevertheless he lived, out of being given Life from Christ !

    Hence, it is no such thing as Christ dying for our sins without us already in the purpose of God being in Union with Him, those in 1 Cor 15:3

    For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

    The Ones " Our sins" applies to, every last one of them had to be in Union with Christ at the Time He died for their sins ! BTW that is an Election Union ! 36
     
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    Now in light of the pre-existing union, a union all must have had with Him, if indeed He did die for them, for their sins, He accepted upon Himself the wages of their sins, which was death Rom 6:23, their debt of sin has been paid in full, He paid the debt in total for all of the Old man they are from the cradle to the grave Rom 6:6

    6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

    That Old Man covers all what they are by nature, children of wrath Eph 2:3 and as a result they are freed or Justified from sin, which is but another way of saying they were dead to the Law by the Body of Christ, Lets look at Rom 6:7

    7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

    He that is dead here means, he that was crucified with Christ, or died with Christ, that person, whomsoever they may be, is freed from sin.

    That word freed is the greek word dikaioó:

    I make righteous, defend the cause of, plead for the righteousness (innocence) of, acquit, justify; hence: I regard as righteous.

    So he that died with Christ, he that is dead, is acquitted, justified from sin, and regarded as righteous ! See Rom 5:19 also !

    So to be dead to the Law by the Body of Christ, means equally to be made righteous, justified, and acquitted before they believe a thing, even before they know anything about it, for its a mystery to them. Its even true of them before they are born into that sin nature whereby they become by nature children of wrath like others Eph 2:3, for that is nothing but that old man which had been already crucified with Christ Rom 6:6 ! 35
     
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    Now how is it that all for whom Christ died, are by that, made dead to the Law Rom 7:4 ? Lets remember as well Rom 6:7

    For he that is dead[died in and with Christ] is freed from sin.

    They are freed from sin, made Righteous, how can they be made Righteous at the same time that they are freed from sin, and dead to the Law ?

    Its because all for whom Christ died, as they had their sins charged to Him [so He could die for them], yet at the same time, they had His Righteousness charged to them or to their account [as a free Gift], its called the Gift of Righteousness Rom 5:17

    For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

    The word Gift here dórea:

    a (free) gift, a gift (without repayment).

    dōreá (a feminine noun, derived from 1325 /dídōmi) – a gift, freely given and hence not acquired by merit or "entitlement." 1431 /dōreá (a feminine noun) expresses a brand of giving that highlights the beneficent desire of the giver.

    Notice that its a Gift freely given, not a offer made as religionist would have us to believe, the Gift of Righteousness is simply donated or bestowed to their persons, their account, much in the same way that their sins had been laid upon Christ's charge, they were caused to meet upon Him, So the Gift of Righteousness is in turned caused to meet upon their account,

    Its sorta like a exchange as indicated here 2 Cor 5:21

    21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    That scripture states it all ! Again it cannot be overstated , this exchange / transaction occurred before they believed, even before they're born, in fact its true so much that all for whom Christ died are as sinners, as children of wrath as others Eph 2:3 they are born acquitted already, and declared righteous before God.
    You see it had nothing to do with their repentance, though they shall repent, had nothing to do with their believing, though they shall believe, nothing to do with their calling upon the name of the Lord, even though they shall, but these things they shall do because of what has already been done for them, because they had already by the Body of Christ, His death, been made dead to the Law, dead to sin, acquitted and made Righteous, and God finally reveals to them by the Gospel the Mystery of His Will concerning them Eph 1:9

    Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

    John Gill writes of this verse :

    God by the Gospel, to those Christ died, makes Known to them what benefits they have charged to their account because of Christ's Death for them, otherwise it would have remained a Mystery !

    1 Cor 2:7,10

    But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

    10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
     
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    The redeemed of the Lord shall return !


    Isa 51:11

    11 Therefore the redeemed of the Lord shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall be upon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; and sorrow and mourning shall flee away.

    Many in man made religion dont understand nor believe the effects that Christ's redeeming death had on all for whom He died, It returns them back to God from whom they went astray, apostatized from in Adam, yet His redeeming death shall cause them to return, as it is written, the redeemed of the Lord shall [predestined] return.

    To give an idea of this blessed return, look at the prodigal son Lk 15:11-21

    11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:

    12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.

    13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.

    14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.

    15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.

    16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.

    17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!

    18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

    19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.

    20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

    21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.

    Now notice vs 17-20 , thats the action of being returned to the Lord, thats what is effected in each of the redeemed of the Lord, those Christ died for, in other words, Christ's redeeming death receives all the credit for the actions of the returning son in Vs 17-20 !

    Now this very same Illustration is stated in Peters writings 1 Pet 1:18-20

    18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

    19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

    20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

    Peter writing to the redeemed, those redeemed by the precious blood of the Lamb, notice what he writes:

    They were redeemed out of a vain conversation or manner of Life Vs 18

    The word from preposition ek means:

    I.out of, from, by, away from

    See how Peter is crediting the Blood of Christ as the means by which they were brought out of, away from a vain manner of life ! Peter does not say it was due to their wise decision making, or their freewill, that they are changed, but again, because of the precious blood of the Lamb !

    Yet even more to the point is what he writes later here 1 Pet 2:24-25

    24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

    25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

    Notice the word returned in Vs 25, that applies to the redeemed back up in 1 Pet 1:18-20 !

    So you see, that's what Isa 51:11 means, the redeemed of the Lord shall return or be returned.

    The word returned in 1 Pet 2:25 is the greek word epistrephō:

    I.transitively

    A.to turn to

    i.to the worship of the true God



    B.to cause to return, to bring back

    i.to the love and obedience of God


    Here in the text its in the passive voice :

    The passive voice represents the subject as being the recipient of the action. E.g., in the sentence, "The boy was hit by the ball," the boy receives the action.

    The passive effects the middle and causes the subject to act, so the word also means:


    A.to turn to one's self


    B.to turn one's self about, turn back


    C.to return, turn back, come back

    Because whats being effected here is conversion !

    Lets look back once again at the prodigal Lk 15:17-18

    17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!

    18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

    The son being acted upon as in being the hit ball, he corresponds in like action, though he begins to act and cooperate, he is not the author of it, the redeeming blood of Christ is ! So again we see come to past what is promised in the prophecy Isa 51:11

    11 Therefore the redeemed of the Lord shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall be upon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; and sorrow and mourning shall flee away.

    Fulfilled in Christ, the Redeemed 1 Pet 1:18 and the being returned 1 Pet 2:25 ! 36
     
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    The redeemed of the Lord shall return ! 2


    Redemption brings back those who went astray in Adam the son of God Lk 3:38 Isa 53:6

    38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

    Isa 53:6


    6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

    The sons of God in their natural federal head Adam, turned everyone his own way, but yet through the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus, they [The Sheep who went astray] shall be returned to God, 1 Pet 2:24-25

    24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

    25 For ye were as sheep going astray[Isa 53:6]; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

    The Healing of the Stripes effects the return to God ! See also 1 Pet 3:18

    18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us[The Sheep] to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

    That He might bring us [the Sheep] back to God denotes the stated Purpose for Christ suffering for sins, the Just for the unjust ! The word that :

    hína (a subordinating conjunction) – for the purpose that (in order that), looking to the aim (intended result) of the verbal idea. 2443 /hína ("for the purpose that")

    The Purpose and intended result for For Christ dying for our sins, was that it would bring us to God !

    And Remember 1 Pet 3:18 relates back to 1 Pet 1:18-20

    18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

    19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

    20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

    I hope this is clear, Redemption by the Precious Blood of Christ brings the Lost Sheep back to God, that was the Purpose of His "hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust"

    Listen folks, If Christ's Redemptive Death does not effect a returning or coming back to God or Conversion, then it failed the Divine Purpose and Intention, but yet that is what all religionists are willing to state if they indeed teach that Christ died for some that shall never be converted back to God Acts 3:19, they teach a failed Christ !

    But Glory to God, True Believers believe all for whom He died, of God's Sheep, shall be converted back to God, 100 % of the Sheepfold !
     
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    Isa 59:20

    20 And the Redeemer[Jesus Christ] shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.

    In other words, the blessed results and effects of the Redeemer coming, unto those He came to specifically Redeem, Israel Lk 1:68, the effects it shall render is that they shall turn from transgression ! If we dont Turn from Transgression [to include false religion] that is be converted, then Christ did not come to Redeem us, unless the Blessed effects of His Redemptive Blood failed the Purpose of God !

    But God forbid that could happen, So the logical conclusion to the Glory of God is that all those who are never turned or converted had no part in Christ's Redemptive Death, For it is also written :

    14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

    The Purpose of His Death or giving Himself for us, Namely His Church Eph 5:25 was to Redeem us from all Iniquity, which equates to the same thing as saying " To be turned from Transgression "

    Christ's Redemptive Death is suppose to Liberate us from all lawlwssness. Before That, we are holden by our sins Prov 5:22

    His own iniquities shall take the wicked himself, and he shall be holden with the cords of his sins.

    That word holden means to be seized, be held, retain !

    They are held Paul says Rom 7:6

    But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

    Remember God commanded Pharoah to Let His People Go so that they can serve Him ! Ex 8:1

    And the Lord spake unto Moses, Go unto Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Let my people go, that they may serve me.

    Thats what Christ's Death was Purposed to do, to accomplish, To Turn His People from Transgressions ! Acts 3:26

    26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus[The Redeemer], sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

    This is the fulfillment of Isa 59:20 ! 36
     
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    The Death of Christ in its Redemptive Power, its responsible for Blessing all those He died for in that He by it turns them from their iniquity ! Peter Highlights that fact in Preaching the Gospel here Acts 3:24-26

    24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

    25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

    26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

    Now look at Vs 26, what's the Blessing stated ?

    Its a Turning them away from their iniquities ! Thats Conversion, or Repentance being effected !

    In fact its the same thing Paul stated in Titus 2:14

    14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

    In fact, that's the Blessing of Abraham. Remember when God Promised Abraham Gen 12:3

    And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

    Well that's what God was promising, that which Peter Preached then Acts 3:24-26.

    Notice something also, he calls his hearers the Children of the Prophets and of the Covenant, saying:

    saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

    This Promise little did Peter realize also belonged to the Gentiles, for Paul quotes the very same verse from Gen 12:3 and applies it to the Gentiles here Gal 3:8

    8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

    So that means that the Gentiles were also the Children of the Prophets and of the Covenant as stated in Acts 3:25 !


    Folks the fact is, If Christ's death of Redemption does not turn all for whom He died away from their iniquities, it failed the Purpose of God, its Power was frustrated and thwarted,

    For Notice Peter said:

    26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from[apo separation] his iniquities.

    That applies to every one of the Children of the Prophets and of the Covenant, every single Person, that Jesus was given a Covenant for Isa 42:6

    I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

    Again, the Gentiles are part of that Covenant People ! 36
     
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    God removes the blindness when He saves the person, otherwise the person is lost, and the Gospel is hidden from the lost as first shown you 2 Cor 4:3-4

    3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

    4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    As long as one is in a lost condition, the Gospel is hid. The word hid in the original is in perfect tense denoting its finality and completion
     
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    This Blessing of being turned from our iniquities Acts 3:24-26

    24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

    25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

    26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

    It denotes something inward, as promised by the Covenant Jer 31:33

    But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    Its by giving them inwardly New Life by His Spirit, Note: The Turning away from our sins is Christ's Work of blessing us, and He alone should receive the Glory of it !

    Its part of His Redeeming Death ! 37
     
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    It accomplished remission of sins which is Justification !

    Matt 26:28

    28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

    The word for eis is the prep meaning:
    into, in, unto, to, upon, towards, for, among.

    1519 eis (a preposition) – properly, into (unto) – literally, "motion into which" implying penetration ("unto," "union") to a particular purpose or result.

    Christ's Blood shed resulted in remission of sin, not a offer of it, not that it made it available if you accept it, but it was for the purpose of and resulted in for the many it was shed remission of their sins.

    That word remission aphesis:

    a sending away, a letting go, a release, pardon, complete forgiveness.

    859 áphesis (from 863 /aphíēmi, "send away, forgive" ) – properly, "something sent away"; i.e. remission ("forgiveness"), releasing someone from obligation or debt.

    In other words, the debt of death they owed for the wages of sin Rom 6:23 they are no longer under that debt, their debt is completely forgiven by the blood of Christ, and that is their Justification before God,

    Its the same as stated in Rom 3:24

    24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

    Eph 1:7

    In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

    That word redemption also equates to remission or forgiveness of sins, its the word apolutrósis:

    release effected by payment of ransom; redemption, deliverance.

    /apolýtrōsis ("redemption, re-purchase") emphasizes the distance ("safety-margin") that results between the rescued person, and what previously enslaved them. For the believer, the prefix (575 /apó) looks back to God's effective work of grace, purchasing them from the debt of sin and bringing them to their new status (being in Christ).

    You see that aspect of redemption that has to do with "purchasing them from the debt of sin " ? Thats exactly the same truth of remission or forgiveness which states:

    "releasing someone from obligation or debt: And so Rom 3:24 says that those Christ shed His Blood for Matt 26:28 were by that Justified freely, by His Grace, through the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus or as Eph 1:7 in His Blood !

    This proves, whether its believed or not, but it proves that those whom Christ died for are by His Blood alone, they are Justified from all sin and due punishment for the same, for unto them, death as the wages of sin Per Rom 6:23 no longer exists, they have been released from that debt forever !

    That word Justified in Rom 3:24 means:

    I make righteous, defend the cause of, plead for the righteousness (innocence) of, acquit, justify; hence: I regard as righteous.

    to clear (someone) of a charge or accusation, as in a court of law.

    All this is accomplished for the Many He shed His Blood for, the Blood of the New Covenant Matt 26:28 ! Its a done deal yall !
     
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    It accomplished remission of sins which is Justification !2

    Its good to consider a very important aspect of this matter of remission of sins due to the shed blood of Christ, the Blood of the New Covenant / Testament Matt 26:28 !

    We should understand that this Covenant forgiveness through His Blood is the same as here Jer 31:33-34

    33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    Thats the same as the remission of sins in Matt 26:28 , its also the same testament or covenant in view !

    The same here Mic 7:18-20

    18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

    19 He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.

    20 Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old.

    This Vs 20 here is the same as that Promised Mercy of Lk 1:72,77

    To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

    77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

    And of course Christ's Blood is shed accordng to that Holy Covenant, for the remission of sins Matt 26:28

    28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

    See how all this fits together ?
     
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    It results in Living by Faith !


    Rom 1:17

    17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    Thats predestination, whenever scripture declares that something SHALL be done, it means that the predetermined counsel of God has decided it to happen.

    In case you did not know, this Promise "The just shall live by faith." is a Promise that everyone Christ died for shall Live by Faith !

    Now why is that True ? Here's why ! The Death of Christ, His Obedience unto Death Phil 2:8; Rom 5:19 that declares those He died for, the Many Righteous or Just Rom 5:19

    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    That word made in made righteous is the greek word kathistémi means:

    I set down, bring down to a place; I set in order, appoint, make, constitute,

    "to set down as, constitute (Latinsisto), equivalent to to declare, show to be":

    They shall be declared Righteous or Just. That word Righteous in Rom 5:19 is the Greek word dikaios which means:

    just; especially, just in the eyes of God; righteous; the elect (a Jewish idea).

    Yes its the same exact word Just in Rom 1:17

    17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    So, the Many that the Obedience of Christ shall declare Righteous / Just, they shall Live by Faith !

    The Many for whom Christ died for are His Sheep, so if one does not never believe on Him and begin the Life of Faith as Promised to those He died for, the answer is quite simple, its because they were not of His Sheep that He layed down His Life for Jn 10:15,26

    15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.


    26 But ye believe not, because, for that reason ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you

    Thats the only reason why they are not or wont be believers, its because they were not of His Sheep. If they were of the Sheep He layed down His Life for Vs 15 then they shall live by Faith, or we must conclude that Rom 1:17 is a lie where it says :

    17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.37
     
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    Reconciliation to God experimentally also !

    Not only did by Christ's Death alone, those He died for were reconciled to God[legally] even while they were being enemies [experimentally] so says Rom 5:10

    10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

    They also are reconciled to God experimentally by His same death, meaning reconciled out of being enemies to Him, So says this scripture Col 1:21-22

    21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

    22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

    You see that ? Paul tells them HOW it was done ! How they were reconciled after having been alienated and enemies in their minds by wicked works, It was in the Body of His flesh through death, meaning through His Death for them, the results is reconciliation out of being enemies and alienated in our minds by wicked works !

    So Christ's Death alone accomplished both Legal and Experimental Reconciliation for the People of God, whom Christ died for !
     
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    Redeemed unto Life !


    Gal 3:13-14

    13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

    All for whom Christ died are redeemed from/out of the curse of the Law, from the penalty of the transgressed law, death being one of the consequences of that penalty, and so Christ has redeemed them He died for from the death that is a consequence of the Transgressed Law, and having done that, they must receive Life, and that comes from the Spirit, that He may give them Life, or as Jesus says He quickens Jn 6:63

    It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    That word quickeneth is the greek word zóopoieó:

    I make that which was dead to live, cause to live, quicken.

    /zōgréō, "alive" and 4160 /poiéō, "make") – properly, make alive (zōos); i.e. "quicken," vivify ("animate"); (figuratively) cause what is dead (inoperative) to have life; empower with divine life.

    Notice, to cause that which is dead to have Life. The elect by nature are dead to God, inoperative spiritually, alienated from the life of God, but because Jesus died for them, redeeming them from death, which is a consequence of the curse of the Law, being that He satisfied God's Law and Justice by His Death for them, He causes them to have Life, as an evidence that Christ's redeeming death was successful in redeeming them from the curse of the Law !

    In fact the same word zóopoieó in Jn 6:63 is used in 1 Cor 15:45

    And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    He is the The Author of the quickening of the Spirit in Jn 6:63, the Spirit must through Christ give life to every soul that His death redeemed from the curse of the Law !

    As the Elect received subjective death for the consequences of sin against the Law, they likewise receive subjective Life out of death. Thats why back to Gal 3:13-14 those who Christ redeemed from the curse of the law, it was for the purpose that they may receive the promise of the Spirit, which gives them Life Jn 6:63 ! You see Christ's redeeming Death would be for naught if it did not produce Life and bestow it upon the redeemed, if it did not do that, His Death was less effective than Adams death was that effected subjective death ! 37
     
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    All men drawn by virtue of Christ's Death !

    One of the accomplishments of the death of Christ that proves that all men without exception were not of His Sheep that He died for, is that, those Sheep of His that He did die for, are as a result of His death drawn to Him Jn 12:32-33

    32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

    33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

    This blessed fact of what His Death would accomplish He signified here in Vs 33 !

    Jesus declares that all men shall be drawn to Him by the power, efficacy virtue of His death alone !

    Now many in false religion quote this verse Jn 12:32 yet at the same time they are quite ignorant to its blessed meaning, and while quoting it, most of the time they are denying its very Truth set forth, that is, Christ promising that His death [being lifted up] will result in all being drawn to Himself, which means they drawn will become His faithful followers, even believers in Him.

    Now the word draw here denotes Christ's power at work, its the word helkō and means:


    I.to draw, drag off


    II.metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel

    Those being drawed have a special inward power leading them, impelling them !


    To impel means "to cause to move forward" and its also synonymous with compel as here Lk 14:23

    And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

    The word compel here anagkazō means:

    I.to necessitate, compel, drive to, constrain

    A.by force, threats, etc.


    B.by permission, entreaties, etc.


    C.by other means

    The compelling here is by entreaties and persuasion, and the Holy Spirit is vital in this work of persuading with the preached word 2 Cor 5:20

    20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

    The servant in Lk 14:23 is the Holy Spirit who accompanies the preached word, persuading those Christ died for to be drawn to Him in Faith !

    Also the word draw denotes:

    helkýō – properly, induce (draw in), focusing on the attraction-power involved with the drawing.

    For its the Day of Christ's Power Ps 110:3

    3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

    Thats what Christ is speaking of in Jn 12:32 , that all His People He died for Matt 1:21 shall be attracted to Him in the Day of His Power ! 37
     
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    For its the Day of Christ's Power Ps 110:3

    3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

    Thats what Christ is speaking of in Jn 12:32 , that all His People He died for Matt 1:21 shall be attracted to Him in the Day of His Power !

    Now the word all has been a stumblingblock to many in false religion, they force it to mean " every individual without exception ", yet that is a lie. The word all is the greek word pas, which means more often than not, all of the whole, or all of every kind; It means all in the sense of each [every] part that applies; The emphasis of the total picture then is on one piece at a time, all the parts that constitute the whole, that is to view the whole in terms of indvidual parts.

    Now for instance, He will draw all of His Sheep to Himself until they all constitute His One whole Sheepfold ! Jn 10:3-4,16

    3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name[singular one by one], and leadeth them out.

    4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

    16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one [whole sheepfold], and one shepherd.

    Now we know all men without exception are not Christs Sheep or of His Sheepfold Jn 10:26

    26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.38
     
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    All men drawn by virtue of Christ's Death ! 3

    Yet another example of the word all being used to denote men individually in order to constitute an whole, that being the Children of God scattered abroad Jn 11:51-52

    51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

    52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.


    Some Translations use the word all as here Jn 11:52

    52 Yet Jesus would not die just for the Jewish nation. He would die to bring together all of God’s scattered people. CEV

    52 and not only for them, but also to bring together into one body all the scattered people of God.

    52 and for God’s scattered children. This would bring them all together and make them one.ICB

    Notice how His Death/Dying was to gather together in One whole, this is All the Children of God are to gathered together or we can say drawn to Him.

    Now whats interesting is the words gather together here have the same meaning as draw does in Jn 12:32, its the word sunago and is used to draw in fish, to draw together, to collect Matt 13:47

    47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: or all of every kind !

    Also just as the word draw helko means to lead, impel, the same can be said for the word gather together sunago which means to lead together, made up of the verb ago which means :

    I lead, I bring, drive, to impel, of power and influence affecting the mind like Lk 4:1; Rom 8:14; And so Jesus was saying that as a result of His Death, all His Sheep, or all the children of God, He will by spiritual power win over to Myself the hearts of them all.

    Now how many religionist who often quote Jn 12:32 really believe and understand the Truth of it, that as a result of His Death, all His Sheep will be spiritually influenced to follow Him, to be persuaded to do so !
     
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    All men drawn by virtue of Christ's Death ! 4

    Now the underlying reason for those all Sheep, or Children of God to be drawn to Christ, it is because they have been predestinated to the adoption of Children by Jesus Christ to Himself Eph 1:5

    5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

    Jn 11:52

    52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
     
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    By His stripes we were healed !

    1 Pet 2:24

    24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.


    Listen, by His [meaning his death] we were healed ! If there is any scripture that is an Testimony of the Saving effects of the Death of Christ alone, its this one above !

    The word healed iaomai means:


    I.to cure, heal


    II.to make whole

    A.to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation


    So the word is also synonymous with saved, thats why its stated to mean "to bring about or effects one's salvation"

    Jer 17:14

    Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise.

    Now we derive from our text that the healing that took place by His stripes, it effected " our death to sin "

    Thats why Peter could say " we being dead to sin "

    This includes the fact that sin cannot never be imputed or charged to anyone Christ died for !

    They are dead to any condemnation of sin against them !

    They are dead to its power as it cannot reign in them !

    It[His Death] not only made us dead to sin, but also effected our" living unto righteousness"

    In other words, the healing results of Christ's death or stripes is #1 We become dead to sin and #2 Live unto righteousness, which is but another way of saying to live by Faith, or the Righteousness of Faith Rom 1:17

    16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    Rom 4:11,13

    11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

    13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

    Rom 9:30

    30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

    Phil 3:9

    9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

    Heb 11:7

    7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

    We Live unto Righteousness when we are living by Faith, believing that Christ before God, is Our Righteousness 1 Cor 1:30

    30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

    This Righteousness is then revealed to us by the Gospel in order to Live by Faith Rom 1:16-17 !

    Now John writes of doing Righteousness 1 Jn 3:7

    7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

    That means living by Faith feeding upon the Righteousness of Christ imputed to our charge. So doing and Living righteous is being able by the Spirit of God, to rest in Christ as our One and Only Righteousness before God,

    And that rest will come as a result of Christ's stripes healing us !
     
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    Ensures the hearing of Faith !

    The Death of Christ, for all whom He died, ensures unto them the Hearing of Faith ! This is True because its promised that the Just shall live by Faith Rom 1:17

    17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    The word shall in divine matters tells us that it has been predestined by God to happen !

    Now who are the Just that shall live by Faith ? Its all for whom Christ by His Obedience of one shall make Righteous Rom 5:19

    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    That word righteous is the same greek word for Just in Rom 1:17 , hence all for whom Christ's obedience / death shall make Righteous or Just, shall Live by Faith !

    So therefore His Death ensures the Hearing of Faith, because Faith comes by Hearing Rom 10:17 !

    Now , Jesus who specifically stated that He lays down His Life for His Sheep Jn 10:11,15 goes on to say that they [ the Sheep He lays down His Life for] shall hear His voice Jn 10:16,27

    16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear[hearing of faith] my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    27 My sheep hear[hearing of faith] my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

    Again this is the Hearing of Faith as in Rom 10:17 and Gal 3:2,5

    2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

    5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

    Again Jn 10:16 ensures this hearing of Faith or the Hearing of His Voice, the promise is " they shall hear"

    That word shall means that it has already been determined that they shall hear His voice.

    Jesus also says who it is that hears His voice here Jn 18:37

    37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. Cp with Jn 10:16 !

    What is it to be "of the Truth " ? Its to have the Spirit of Truth in Us by New Birth Jn 14:17

    17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. The Sheep !

    This Spirit of Truth enables one to hear and embrace the Truth ! But nevertheless,Christ's Death ensures the Hearing of Faith unto everyone He died, of His Sheep ! 38
     
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