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    Delivered us from the curse of the Law !


    Those Christ died for have been delivered from the curse of the Law, so we read in Gal 3:13

    13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    What is the Curse of the Law ? Simply this, Hell, Eternal Separation from God in endless torment ! Its Eternal Misery and Woe, its that being accursed Paul writes of here Gal 1:8-9

    8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

    9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

    Which the word means:

    anathema:

    a votive offering, a thing devoted to God; a curse, the thing cursed.

    place up, referring to something pledged (given up) to destruction; a divine curse/ban ("accursed"); an "oath-curse."

    a thing devoted to God without hope of being redeemed, and, if an animal, to be slain (Leviticus 27:28, 29); therefore a person or thing doomed to destruction, Joshua 6:17;

    a man accursed, devoted to the direst woes

    , Romans 9:3 (pregnantly equivalent to doomed and so separated from Christ).

    Christ has been made a Curse for them He died for, redeeming them from it, how ? Not by their faith or repentance, but by being made a curse for them , by dying for them !

    Now because He was made a curse for them, they dont have to be made a curse. The curse is Eternal Death, Christ for His People underwent their Eternal Death !
     
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    Delivered us from the curse of the Law !2

    Listen those whom Jesus will speak these words unto Matt 25:41

    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

    They cannot be anyone Christ died for, because all them He died for were redeemed from the curse of the Law. This Everlasting Fire they are cursed into is the curse of the Law, its the Second Death Rev 21:8

    But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

    Jesus calls them cursed in Matt 25:41 because they were not by His Death redeemed from the curse of the Law, and consequently their sins remain against and on them , they die in their sins Jn 8:24.

    Understand, those cursed going into everlasting fire Matt 25:41, are going into the second death Rev 21:8, which all death is the wages of sin Rom 6:23

    23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.



    For the wages of sin is death,.... By sin, is meant every sin, original sin, actual sin, every kind of sin, lesser and greater: the "death" which sin deserves, is a corporeal death; which is not owing to the original nature and constitution of men; nor merely to the divine appointment; but to sin, and the decree of God, on account of it; which is inflicted on Christless sinners, as a punishment for sin, though not on believers as such, because Christ has took away the sting and curse of it: a death of diseases and afflictions also follows upon sin, as its proper demerit; which are properly punishments to wicked men, and are occasioned by sin in believers: there is a death of the soul, which comes by sin, which lies in an alienation from God, in a loss of the image of God, and in a servitude to sin; and there is an eternal death, the just wages of sin, which lies in a separation of soul and body from God, and in a sense of divine wrath to all eternity; and which is here meant, as is clear from its antithesis, "eternal life",
    John Gill

    But for all whom Christ died, He hath as a Gift to them, abolished death 2 Tim 1:10

    10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

    Its inconsistent with the accomplishment of Christ's death, for anyone He died for to go into the second death, or the Lake of fire as those in Matt 25:41 ! 46
     
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    Christ is Victorious over Death !

    Christ is Victorious over Death ! However do we really believe this fact ? You see in Him being Victorious over Death, He has for them He died for, and rose again for their Justification Rom 4:25, for them because Hes Victorious, has abolished death 2 Tim 1:10

    10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

    Now Christ Jesus has come to show us the kindness of God. Christ our Savior defeated death[for us] and brought us the good news. It shines like a light and offers life that never ends.

    He brings immortality to light, that being "immunity from eternal death"

    Now He is hardly Victorious over Death if those He died for as Surety Head remain in Spiritual death and go into the second death, For His Resurrection from/out from the dead was not for Himself, as His going into death was not for Himself, but as the Head and Surety of His People, the Sheep, His Body the Church, and so consequently if the Head is Victorious out from death, so must be His People, His Body ! Because He was raised for their Justification Rom 4:25, which is Justification of Life Rom 5:18b.

    Its a great contradiction to say Christ is Victorious over death and not those He died for ! So do we really believe Christ is victorious over death if one He dies for is not ? NO we don't !
     
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    Faith and or Repentance

    Faith and or Repentance toward God and or Christ are products of Redemption by the Blood of Christ, and not conditions of it Heb 9:14

    14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

    Now false teachers would tell us that in order to be redeemed unto God by Christ's blood, one must meet the conditions of faith or repentance, but that is false, for the fact is, one is redeemed in order to repent and or believe on Christ, both faith and repentance are the evidences and consequences of having been redeemed by Christ's blood, for again we read in Rev 5:9-10

    9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

    10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    Now notice carefully in this Praise what is being acknowledged about Christ, "for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

    10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests:"

    So Repentance toward God and Faith in Christ Acts 20:21 are fruits, evidences, results of Redemption.

    After redeeming them by His Blood, they are then made something unto God, its the production of spiritual service, a kingdom of priests, thats the result of redemption by blood, which also fulfills the prediction of Israel the Church Ex 19:6

    6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
     
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    Makes us Alive !

    Since Christ by His death, has abolished death for all whom He died, they must be made spiritually alive as proof of the same ! By His death alone He took away their sins 1 Jn 3:5

    And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

    And so by doing, He takes away death, or being dead, because being dead/death is the wages of sin Rom 6:23

    23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Another way Paul expresses it is here Rom 5:15

    But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

    The offence here is sin, and because of it, many be dead, that means dead spiritually, dead to God, dead in sin and trespasses.

    But now since Christ has taken away the offences, Justice demands that being made dead for sin is also taken away, which equates to being made alive !

    You see, its a cheat upon the death of Christ, for those He died for, and took away their offences, for them to remain spiritually dead, spiritually dead to God, spiritually dead in trespasses and sins, for that would contradict the accomplishment of His Death ! So everyone Christ died for, must be and shall be made spiritually alive, for the only reason why they were made to be dead, was because of the offence Rom 5:15

    But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

    That offence being taken away 1 Jn 3:5, then being made dead must be taken away, that is Justice ! 46
     
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    Makes us Alive ! 2

    Again, death, to include spiritual and the second death reigns because of sin Rom 5:21

    That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

    But for those Christ has died for, put away their sins, death no longer has the right to reign over them, that is the eternal second death, nor spiritual death of which they were born in by nature .

    If one for whom Christ died does not be made spiritually alive, its like saying Christ did not put away their sins by the sacrifice of Himself, and that He did not by His death abolish death, which scripture states that He did 2 Tim 1:10

    10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

    This also means that none for whom Christ died can be hurt with the second death Rev 2:11

    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

    He that overcometh is simply everyone Christ died for as their Head and Representative !
     
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    He fulfilled all Righteousness for His People the Church !


    Matt 3:15

    15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

    I believe this includes the fulfilling of the Righteousness of the Law Rom 8:4

    4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    Christ's coming to the earth was also in regard to keeping the Law, Honoring it as it should have been Isa 42:21

    21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

    He magnified it by keeping it for His People the Church, Christ as Adam did, did a Representative Work, He lived and died in the behalf of Gods People, those who also had a Representative Union with Him from before the foundation Eph 1:4

    4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    Christ for this Representative Work had all the fruits and graces of the Spirit Isa 11:1-5

    And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

    2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

    3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

    4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

    5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

    He was given the Spirit without measure Jn 3:34

    For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

    Hence Christ as the Representative Surety of His People while living on Earth doing the Will of God for them Heb 10:7,9

    He did for them perform all the Faith and Love to God and His Neighbor as required by the Law, Like when Jesus said to one who questioned Him here:

    Matt 22:35-40

    35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

    36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

    37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

    38 This is the first and great commandment.

    39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

    He has fully for His Church fulfilled The First and Great Commandment of the Law In Vs 37-38 and the second like unto it in Vs 39, So True Believers claim the Faith of Christ as theirs, not their own faith, but that Faith Christ exercised towards God while He was here living as the Surety Representative of His People, fulfilling all Righteousness ! 47
     
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    Brings Fruit unto God !


    One of the things Jesus atoning death was purposed to do and does do, it brings fruit unto God. Jesus said on one occasion Jn 12:24

    24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

    And Paul writes Rom 7:4

    Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ[His death for you]; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

    Christ brings forth fruit when those He died for, according to the Will of God bring forth fruit, that was the purpose of His death, without the fruit, it was all in vain.

    Christ death accomplished a twofold purpose, that those He died for should be #1 Married to another, because by His death for them they become dead to the Law, in order that they would be married to Christ. How did they become dead to the Law according to the text in Rom 7:4 ?

    By the Body of Christ is how, which simply means by His death. Did you know that everyone Christ died for, are born into this world dead to the Law ? Not under its condemning power ! All other men are born condemned by the Law, those Christ did not die for, for instance those in Jn 3:18 cannot and do not believe because they are condemned by the Law, already condemned , their unbelief is evidence of their being already condemned !

    But again, not so for those Christ died, because by His death or by the Body of Christ they become dead to the law !
     
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    Brings Fruit unto God ! 2

    Yet It was for a Purpose that by Christ's death they were made dead to the Law, that purpose is " that they should become married to another, that being Jesus Christ, and that occurs when they in conversion believe on Him. Faith in Christ is how they become married to Him, Trusting in the Son, Kissing Him as the Psalmist wrote Ps 2:12

    Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

    Kissing the Son is evidence of subjection and esteem and warm affection,

    Its the subjection that Paul counsels the Christian wife to have for her husband Eph 5:24

    Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

    The word subject here is in the passive voice, the church is made subject to Christ by the purpose of God, that part of the purpose of Christ's death, so the church would be married to Him !

    And then secondly, He died for them, made them dead to the Law, that they should bring forth fruit unto God, which is to Live by Faith, for this was one of the designs and purposed results of the death of Christ ! 47
     
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    Eternal Justification

    That Christ's death alone hath eternally Justified them He died for is seen here Heb 9:12

    12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    The word for redemption here lutrósis, means:

    (in the Old Testament: ransoming from imprisonment for debt, or from slavery, release from national misfortune, etc.), liberation, deliverance, release.

    redemption from the penalty of sin: which constitutes Justification, remission of sin, its a full absolution and acquittance from God, which Christ has obtained for them, if He indeed died for us, and its an Eternal One, an Eternal Redemption /Justification with Eternal effects, by which they shall always be free from any penalty of sin and death, even the second death.

    This also applies to them in this blessed regard Heb 10:17

    17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

    They could never be of those who shall yet die in their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24, for that would mean God lied and did remember their sins again !
     
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    He abolished death for them !

    Its quite simple, all those Christ died for, by His death alone, He abolished death for them 2 Tim 1:10

    10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

    And the Gospel, as a Word of Salvation, is not for all, but strictly for them He abolished death for, which we know cant be for all without exception because we ready of many that shall enter into the second death Rev 2:11;20:6,14;21:8 , so its obvious Christ did not die for such, because if He had, their would be no second death for them to go to , it would have been abolished,

    But the Gospel is a Savor of Life unto Life 2 Cor 2:16, to them whom Christ has abolished death for, for it results in Life.
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    Made Righteous by Christ's Law Keeping for Us !


    All for whom Christ lived and died are reckoned by Divine Testimony to be Righteous based solely upon the Covenant Suretyship of Jesus Christ Isa 42:6

    6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

    During His Living upon the Earth, all that He did was not for Himself, but in the stead and Name of His People Matt 1:21, those given to Him by the Father Jn 17:2

    2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

    Now He obeyed Gods Law Perfectly in their stead, as well as suffered condemnation in their stead, for their many transgressions against His Holiness and Law.

    He for them obeyed the Law and fulfilled all Righteousness Isa 42:21

    21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable. By His Perfect Obedience unto it for His People !

    So because of His Federal Headship Law Obedience, the Righteousness of the Law [all that it demands of man] has been fulfilled in them Rom 8:4, and this explains why Rom 5:19b is True

    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    That because or by the Surety Obedience of One, Jesus Christ in His Federal Headship Capacity [as was adam in the beginning of time] many are made righteous, which is apart from any Gospel Obedience of theirs like faith and repentance, and it was while they were even being enemies and disobedience Rom 5:10 ! 47
     
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    He was made a curse for us !


    Gal 3:13,14

    13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

    The Us is everyone Christ died for, His Church Eph 5:25. Now being made a curse for them, He has for them drank damnation dry, so doing by providing a full satisfaction for all their sins, transgressions against the Holy Law of God, and with that all damnation and or condemnation has been removed from them, so much so, that its impossible that any one sinner that He died for, was made a curse for, can ever be of the damned, like these here who believe not Mk 16:16

    16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

    2 Thess 2:12

    12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    Even in unbelief those Christ died for, was made a curse for cannot be damned, because His death reconciled them to God while they are in unbelief and enemies Rom 5:10 !

    Also none for whom He died, for whom He was made a curse can possibly be of that world which shall be condemned 1 Cor 11:32

    32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

    And since everyone Christ died for cannot be damned, cursed into the lake of fire Matt 25:41

    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

    Then the reasonable conclusion is, all who are finally damned, cannot possibly be anyone for whom Christ died, and thats why they did not believe, Jn 10:26

    26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

    They cannot believe because they are cursed and damned into perpetual unbelief, because Christ was never made a curse for them ! 48
     
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    Has there really been 9 threads on this topic? This seems like it's a horse that's been beaten to death if this is true.
     
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    Things that accompany the death of Christ !


    One of the reasons we know for a certainty that Christ's death was not for all mankind without exception, though it was for all men without distinction, as in different ethnic groups, is because of what His death alone accomplished and what accompanies it. Rom 8:32-34

    32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

    33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

    34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

    The all for whom Christ was delivered up for, with Him being delivered up for them, comes all things.

    Two of the all things freely given them is seen in Vs 33 #1 No charge can be laid against them as Gods Elect, thats consistent with non imputation 2 Cor 5:19, and secondly, what is freely given them is Gods Justification of them ! This is based solely on God not sparing His own Son, but delivered Him up for all of them, all the Elect of God !
     
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    Sin not being imputed !


    A Glorious benefit and accomplishment of the atoning death of Christ, that religionist cant receive is this, those Christ died for sin cannot and will not be imputed to them, or charged to them, for they all are the blessed man here Rom 4:8

    8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

    Sin is not imputed or charged to any sinner Christ died for, for His Blood alone cleanses them from all sin 1 Jn 1:7

    7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    Heb 1:3

    3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

    The word purge here is from the word cleanseth in 1 Jn 1:7, they are talking about the very same thing as the result of Christ's death !

    Now lets understand something, all of Gods Elect, those Christ died for, before and after conversion have sin in them experimentally, and at times it reigns in them, in their flesh and members Rom 7, such sins as these listed but not limited to them Mark 7:20-23

    20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

    21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

    22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

    23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.


    But the good news for them Christ died for is this, even though these sins may harass them, even overcome them, bring them into captivity, give us great pleasure in the flesh, deprive them of sweet fellowship and communion with God, nevertheless God does not charge them to their account, and God sees them still as perfectly righteous, holy and unblameable in His sight, that's the hope of the Gospel Col 1:21-23

    21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

    22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

    23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

    And True God given Faith rests in and believes this Blessed Truth !

    For the Just shall live by Faith !
     
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    Sin not being imputed !2


    All for whom Christ died, every single sinner He died for, their sins were imputed/charged to Him, thats how He died for their sins 1 Cor 15:3

    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

    1 Pet 2:24

    24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

    Now these scriptures could not be True if their sins had not been imputed to Christ.

    Now everyone whose sins that were imputed to Christ for Him to die for, automatically become those Blessed Ones whom God will not impute sin unto Rom 4:8

    8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

    In fact its a World of People 2 Cor 5:19

    19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    Not one individual of this world can ever have sin charged or imputed to them, not by God !

    What this means, no sinner Christ died for can have sin imputed to him or her by the Law, for sin is the Transgression of the Law 1 Jn 3:4

    Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    This scripture cannot apply to any sinner Christ died for, because sin to them cannot be imputed Rom 5:13

    For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

    You see that ? Thats a Divine Principle that cannot be denied or frustrated, all sinners Christ died for are dead to the law, it cannot charge them with sin or transgression before the Justice of God Rom 7:4

    Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ[His death for you]; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

    See, they become dead to the Law, before Faith/Believing, which is what marries them to Christ experimentally, because they have already been made dead to the Law by His death, and so sin cannot be imputed where there is no Law, and every sinner that has no sin imputed to them for violation of Gods Law, is Righteous before God Rom 5:19

    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    Because His Obedience entailed having their sins imputed to Him for Him to die for them ! 48
     
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    It redeemed us from all Iniquity !


    Those for whom Christ died can never be of them which Christ will some day say this to Matt 7:23

    23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    They can never be "ye that work iniquity" Because by His death, one of its grand accomplishments in the purpose of God, redeemed them from all iniquity Titus 2:14

    14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

    The word that is the conjunction hina and it means:

    denoting the purpose or the result, which means Gods designed result and purpose in Christ giving Himself for those He died for was to redeem them from ALL INIQUITY ! That result was accomplished through the death of Christ. Neither can them Christ died for be of them which it is written of them this Ps 5:5

    5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Those Christ died for cannot be workers of Iniquity because Christ redeemed them from all iniquity, neither can it be laid to their charge !

    Rom 4:7-8

    7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
    8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.48
     
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    Titus 2:14

    Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify to himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.This also means that those Christ died for shall be redeemed from unbelief/disobedience or else the designed purpose for Christ's Death failed ! His death is to redeem from all iniquity. The word redeem lutroó means:

    I release on receipt of ransom; mid: I redeem, release by paying ransom, liberate, deliver.

    The death of Christ is purposed by God and does deliver those Christ died for from bondage, and captivity to sin, which unbelief/disobedience is. By nature men are in a lost state captive, imprisoned in unbelief/disobedience Rom 11:32

    32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. All men in the Justice of God who sinned in Adam, God concluded them in unbelief !

    Now the word concluded is key to understanding what redemption does. Its the word sugkleió and means :

    I enclose, shut in, make subject to.

    to shut together, i.e. enclose

    to shup up on all sides, shut up completely; τινα εἰς τινα or τί, so to deliver one up to the power of a person or thing that he is completely shut in, as it were, without means of escape

    We by nature are by the Justice of God locked in a prison of unbelief /disobeidnece. Some Translations catch the meaning of the word concluded by translating the verse as follows:

    For God has imprisoned everyone in disobedience so he could have mercy on everyone.NLT

    For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.ESV

    For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.NASB

    For God has imprisoned all in disobedience, so that He may have mercy on all. HCSB

    God has placed all people into the prison of their own disobedience so that he could be merciful to all people.

    So the only way out of the prison house of unbelief/disobeidence is by means of redemption through Christ. Thats why Jesus said to unbelieving jews Jn 8:36

    If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

    Jesus was speaking of the power of His redemptive death, by it He would liberate men and women from unbelief/disobedience, which by nature all are confined to.

    So if one Christ died for winds up in hell for their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24, that means His death failed the purpose of God, and yet how many false teachers would tell us that many for whom Christ died shall wind up in hell for their sins that He died for in the prison of unbelief. Such false teachers are against Christ, and serve their own lust and pride !
     
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    His death must cause or give life !

    1 Jn 4:9

    9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

    Contrary to what false teachers would tell us and have people to believe, that God through Christ offers to all and its up to each individual to either accept or not according to their so called freewill, which is nothing but fables and nonsense , in fact a flat out lie. The Truth is however that those God so Loved and gave His Only Begotten in behalf of, it was for the purpose of effecting or giving them Life, that they may live [Spiritually unto God] through or because of Him. Now understand something, if this Divine Objective is not effected, for each Person He died for, for each Person God so Loved Jn 3:16, then the purpose of Christ's death came to nought, it was defeated , which all false teachers are teaching when they tell us that some for whom Christ died can wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief like these Jn 8:24 ! 49
     
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