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I prove my beliefs with scripture and explanation.

You attack constantly by saying you do not like our techniques. Too bad, now stop personally attacking.

 

Definition of contextual: Of, involving, or depending on a context.


Biblicist,

You need to stop with the ridiculous false accusations. Michael and I both deal with context.

Stop attacking and try to debate doctrine.

 

YOU are the one throwing mud, just read this post right here, right now.
LOL

 

Can you stop yourself, Biblicist? Look at this, ANOTHER post just filled with false accusations and personal attacks.

 

I have replied to this post before, but I will do it again, so that there is a chance that it will be understood better, and the chance that more people will hear the truth.

My Bible translation uses the words “credited as righteousness.” Whether or not you use the translation that says ‘imputed’ or “credited” it is clear this is about God declaring someone being righteous without works.

Who are the people whom God will credit righteousness without works? Those people are the ones who will believe in Jesus, it is about the New Covenant. This is for all people who believe in Jesus.

Now, what does David mean “without” works? The Jews had the works of the law. God nailed these works to the cross. What works did God nail to the cross? God nailed sin offerings to the cross. God nailed burnt offerings to the cross. God nailed observance of special days to the cross. God nailed various external washings to the cross. God nailed circumcision of the flesh to the cross. God nailed all these WORKS that the Jews had to do JUST TO WORSHIP God, the Jews had to do all those works because of sin.

Did God nail obeying Him to the cross? Of course, not, we still have to obey God. Did God nail stop sinning to the cross? Of course, not, we still are not to sin. Did God nail doing good to the cross? Of course, not, we still are to do good.

God nailed the works to the cross that we no longer have to do just to worship God.

Abraham had to be circumcised, as did his sons and all the males in his household. The scriptures even speak about BEFORE ABRAHAM AND CIRCUMCISION. In Romans Paul says in Romans 4:10, “Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before?
Right there that should tell you it IS about the work of circumcision.

Circumcision is definitely the Work spoken of in the explanation of Abraham and works. The fact that Abraham lived so long before the Law of Moses, this shows too what the works are, the works of the law like sin offerings. Circumcision was also in the Law of Moses.
Surely, you are not arguing that Abraham was allowed to be sinful and live a life of wickedness are you? With your beliefs and explanations, you claim that Abraham was considered righteous for believing while he lived a sinful wicked life. You ARE claiming that obeying in anything is a work. Wisdom proves you wrong about your doctrines, for Abraham was not allowed to live any kind of way and still be considered righteous apart from works. People falsely call obeying God in anything a work, but that is not so, for Abraham obeyed God from the beginning, and before circumcision and before the Law of Moses.
Did Abraham live a wicked life before circumcision and the Law of Moses? NO.

Please only use God’s words. Do not use one of your teacher’s words or your own words. Where does the Bible say, “The subject is Justification and two requirements must be met for the “ungodly” to be justified before God”?

Imputed, or credited righteousness is the fact that someone has faith, that someone believes.

God gives forgiveness of sins to those who believe.

It is clear that Catholics and those from the reformed group have false beliefs concerning works.

 

He is not capable of ceasing to attack.

 

He accuses us of slinging mud, yet he is the one who uses words like "cultist" to describe us.

 

Exactly!

And he claims he wants to debate and we don't, but who is the one having a tantrum and throwing out all kinds of wild and false accusations?

 

As an example of faith. But you have a hard time believing and understanding. Let me ask you. Do you believe that Nero lived. Do you have faith in the history books that Nero was a person that lived at the time of the Apostle Paul? Are you able to exercise your faith to come to a belief in those facts.

Who brought Nero into this discussion. Do you believe Nero existed as a man? Do you have faith?

No, James teaches that if faith does not produce works then faith is dead. Works never saves anyone. Faith produces works. James is addressing Christians who are already saved teaching them about their Christian walk, not about salvation.

Faith is faith is faith. You don't know what faith is.
Perhaps to you faith is some esoterical, mystical, metaphysical, existential, supernatural and magical experience that somehow you have to lay hold of with sensory perceptions hoping beyond hope that the unseen might become true.
Does that sum it up concisely?

See error? Me? No, I see ignorance in your post to me.

I teach what James teaches, which you do not understand. James was writing to Christians, not the unsaved. The product of a Christian's faith is works.

Oh, come now. My children shudder when they get cold. They are not demonic. I shudder at the things you post on this board. The demons shudder at the very thought of standing before a holy and just God who will throw them into the Lake of Fire prepared for the devil and his angels. (Rev.20:10)

Oh, I see. You are the one that thinks they are saved.
Faith + works = salvation.
But I believe that faith in Christ alone saves. You don't believe that.

You don't get it.
Salvation is by faith and faith alone. You consider faith a work, just like SBM. In that respect you believe the same as SBM, who is a hyper-Calvinist. You both believe that faith is a work.
But faith is not a work. And salvation is not of works. What you are posting is in error; not Scriptural.
You do err not knowing the Scriptures.

 

I always back up what I believe with scripture and show that what I believe was held in the earliest churches. It's the Latin West that has perverted the NT and early church views -- that includes the RCC and the Magisterial Reformers. But you go ahead and promote what Luther and Calvin taught and try to convince yourself that you are very far removed from the RCC.

And, if it pleases you, continue to come up with new adjectives to describe me. I will not say anything more that is personally demeaning to you. If I were to die tonight or soon, I don't want that to be on my record.

 

No, you do.

I am here to speak about the Word of God, not Nero.

You brought Nero into this conversation.

It does not matter if it is before or after salvation, for faith without action is DEAD. It is NEVER alive. It is not the saving faith that you claim it is.

I believe in what God says faith is, would you like me to tell you?

James says faith without action is dead. It is not alive faith before one is a Christian. IT IS DEAD.

Even the demons believe and shudder shuddering is an action. You claim Christians are saved by only believing without any reaction. In fact, you not only say it is a heretical belief to say we are to have an action with our beliefs, you also call it a condemned, and accursed belief, and that we are NOT to obey God.

Even the demons believe and have an action, and they are not saved. Yet you believe humans cannot believe with a reaction. Are you beginning to see the ludicrousness in such teaching?

Where have I said faith was or was not a work?

 

I do not think he is capable of it either.