The Catholic "Salvation"

I'm glad you think so, but am afraid you're mistaken. That has been shown over and over by your refusal to accept the inspired word of God's teachings over the words of a "church". As long as you continue to close your mind to the thought that your church is not infallible in its teachings and that it goes against scriptures in vital areas, your heart is not open to seek further understanding about anything besides the false teachings of the Catholic church.
Gina

 

Then you haven't been listening to the many Catholics on this board who make the claim that there IS salvation amongst Protestants; although in an incomplete way. . . (whatever that means)!

That claim, right there, falsifies the claim made by their own Vatican Council that there is NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

 

Singer, I think this has been explained to you enough times and you still choose not to understand.

 

In that you are completely wrong. I sought out the truth in the bible and then sought out a local group of Christians that did the same. I weeded through most in the area and found the one that seemed to follow the scriptures the closest. In the end the Baptist church was the one I joined. If I ever move again the search will be conducted in the same manner, but this time with the knowledge that a Baptist church is going to be the most likely place, so I'll put more focus on that denom when looking. (unless there's a few e-free churches in the area. )
Gina

 

I really don't consider you the expert that you say you are. I know what experiences I have. I also have a copy of Vatican II documents, a copy of the Catechism, and some other sources, all of which say that outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. Where would you like me to begin?
DHK

 

Singer, I think this has been explained to you enough times and you still choose not to understand. </font>[/QUOTE]Yes, I'm a little basic minded, J.S., so tell me one more time with a yes or a no.

Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

Be careful, DHK has documents that make the claim there IS NOT!!

 

Hi Gina,

You wrote, "It is an open board, for anyone to post on who is a member. That is NOT the same as being free to post whatever you feel like posting. There are rules and regulations."

I agree completely with you, and so the next logical question is "Which posting rule did my post violate?"

One of them is that you cannot post anything that tries to persuade others against Christianity. I saw your post, titled "Why should a Baptist become Catholic", as a direct violation of that rule.

So, Catholicism retained the very existence of the Scriptures and kept Christianity alive (from Barbarian and Turk) throughout the first 1500 years after Jesus ascended into heaven and then stopped being Christian once Martin Luther posted his 95 theses (which, btw, can all be defended as orthodox from a Catholic viewpoint)?

I suppose Augustine, Ignatius of Antioch, Ambrose, Basil the Great, Gregory of Nyssa, Peter Chrysologus, John Chrysostom, Tertullian, Alexander of Alexandria, Clement of Rome, Dionysius, Gregory Nazianzen, Hippolytus, Hilary of Pontiers, Gregory Thaumaturgus, Jerome, John Damascene, Lactantius, Leo the Great, Polycarp, Vincent of Lerins, and Victorinus were all not Christians?

What next.. President Bush isn't American?

This is a baptist board, meant for baptists to post on. You are not a baptist. You and others were offered the privilege of joining with some forums restricted.

Thank you very much for this privilege and your Christian charity.

I missed the stipulation that I was not to share my interpretation of the Scriptures. Perhaps you should add a new posting rule: "You cannot privately interpret Scripture in any way that contradicts what the Baptist church teaches."

You took that offer and used it to try to promote your false religion upon the baptist members and sway them from their beliefs. That was very rude.

Let me get this straight. It is rude to share my faith (which Jesus commands me to do as his disciple) in a designated area created especially for non-Baptists to post in?

How can a Baptist see it as being rude to share Jesus Christ and the truths of the Bible with others (when the Baptist reveres Scripture as the Word of God and Jesus as Lord)?

To top it off, you bring your problem with it out in an open forum when it was being dealt with privately via pm.

Actually, the thread included many posts from various members of BaptistBoard. Rather than it being "my problem," it is a public issue. You removed the public thread from public as everyone can see.

Do you really think that everyone else is unaware of that particular thread's immediate and mysterious disappearance from the board?

I believe a very strong argument can be made that your censorship contradicts central tenets of the Baptist faith such as the common priesthood of the believer, the prerogative for private interpretation, the authority of Scripture, and the primacy of discipleship to Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Saviour; I trust in him daily for my eternal salvation, I pray to him, I rely in no wise upon my own merits, I seek to know him intimately. I am a priest of Jesus Christ by virtue of my being a Christian believer (I'm actually teaching this Sunday on the priesthood of the laity this upcoming Sunday to non-Catholics who want to learn more about Catholicism and are thinking about possibly becoming Catholic), and I have the ability to interpret Scripture for myself.

Is it really a Baptist distinctive to deny me my ability to do so?

[ February 11, 2004, 12:36 AM: Message edited by: Carson Weber ]

 

Carson: You wrote, "It is an open board, for anyone to post on who is a member. That is NOT the same as being free to post whatever you feel like posting. There are rules and regulations."

I agree completely with you, and so the next logical question is "Which posting rule did my post violate?"

Gina: Read the next paragraph you typed for the answer. ROFL!

Carson: One of them is that you cannot post anything that tries to persuade others against Christianity. I saw your post, titled "Why should a Baptist become Catholic", as a direct violation of that rule.

So, Catholicism retained the very existence of the Scriptures and kept Christianity alive (from Barbarian and Turk) throughout the first 1500 years after Jesus ascended into heaven and then stopped being Christian once Martin Luther posted his 95 theses (which, btw, can all be defended as orthodox from a Catholic viewpoint)?

I suppose Augustine, Ignatius of Antioch, Ambrose, Basil the Great, Gregory of Nyssa, Peter Chrysologus, John Chrysostom, Tertullian, Alexander of Alexandria, Clement of Rome, Dionysius, Gregory Nazianzen, Hippolytus, Hilary of Pontiers, Gregory Thaumaturgus, Jerome, John Damascene, Lactantius, Leo the Great, Polycarp, Vincent of Lerins, and Victorinus were all not Christians?

What next.. President Bush isn't American?

Gina: I'm beginning to have my doubts about Bush.
A number of people you tend to quote did not follow the Catholic church as it presents today. I really don't know much about them so I can't go into a detailed discussion on them. Not that it matters a fig. What DOES matter is what does the bible say, and does what we believe agree with it? I could care less what a bunch of dead guys who didn't write inspired scripture thought, it doesn't pertain to me and my God at this point in time.

Carson: This is a baptist board, meant for baptists to post on. You are not a baptist. You and others were offered the privilege of joining with some forums restricted.

Thank you very much for this privilege and your Christian charity.

Gina: Don't thank me, thank the Webmaster.

Carson: I missed the stipulation that I was not to share my interpretation of the Scriptures. Perhaps you should add a new posting rule: "You cannot privately interpret Scripture in any way that contradicts what the Baptist church teaches."

Gina: Let me try this in a more simple manner.
Catholic board set up to promote Catholicism: no
It doesn't need to be spelled out, it's common sense. You join a baptist board you jump on and promote the Catholic church and try to tell Baptists they should leave the Baptist church and become Catholic. Is that really such a hard concept of etiquette to grasp?


Carson: You took that offer and used it to try to promote your false religion upon the baptist members and sway them from their beliefs. That was very rude.

Let me get this straight. It is rude to share my faith (which Jesus commands me to do as his disciple) in a designated area created especially for non-Baptists to post in?

Gina: Yes, it is not only rude to share false beliefs, it's just wrong. Jesus commands you to share your faith in Jesus, not your faith in the Catholic church.
Yes, it is rude to join a baptist board and promote Catholocism. You were not discussing and debating issues, you were proseletyzing or however it's spelled. There is a difference.

Carson: How can a Baptist see it as being rude to share Jesus Christ and the truths of the Bible with others (when the Baptist reveres Scripture as the Word of God and Jesus as Lord)?

Gina: You are not sharing the truth of the bible. You are sharing the truth of the twisted Catholic version of the doctrines of the bible and some other garbage.

Carson: To top it off, you bring your problem with it out in an open forum when it was being dealt with privately via pm.

Actually, the thread included many posts from various members of BaptistBoard. Rather than it being "my problem," it is a public issue. You removed the public thread from public as everyone can see.

Do you really think that everyone else is unaware of that particular thread's immediate and mysterious disappearance from the board?

Gina: Nope, I don't believe they are unaware. I did note that not one of them threw a hissy fit though. The only one that did was the one I tried to privately send an explanation to. (that would be you) I came to the conclusion that
A. They figured out the mystery all on their own
B. They would ask where it went and I would explain.

Does that answer your questions or does this conversation need to continue?
Gina

 

You edited while I was posting my reply, so I didn't catch your new addition.
Gina

 

I thought non-Christians weren't allowed membership? Is this correct or has the rule on this changed?

 

The People of God: Chapter 2, Paragraph 14, pp. 32,33

*To indicate the importance of union with the Church, the Council first reiterates the traditional Catholic teaching on the necessity of the Church for salvation. This necessity is a double one arising both from the positive precept of Christ that men should enter the Church and from the efficacy of the Church’s means of grace (especially her proclamation of the faith and her administration of the sacrament of baptism) for the imparting and sustaining an authentically Christian life.
The Documents of Vatican II

 

That is a question you need to bring up to the Webmaster.
I cited openly to Carson my personal reason for removing his thread, for the sake of explaining.
It was based on my personal opinion as I had the right to do:

If I made a mistake according to Webmaster's wishes and policies I am sure he will let us know.
In the meantime, any further discussion on the removal of that thread will not be answered by me on THIS thread. If anyone feels it STILL has not been explained enough or that they do not understand the rules of this board feel free to pm the moderators or administrators with your concerns and comments.
Gina

 

Ah, the compounding errors of Catholicism. Not only does the Catholic Church teach error but it also believes that the error it teaches is true!

Yes, the Catholic Church believes that Christ founded one church, one gospel, one truth, not 30,000 churches, 30,000 gospels, and 30,000 truths.

 

Gina, thank you for the clarification.

 

The Bible and the gospel which we believe has not changed. It is still found in 1Cor.15:1-4, just in case you don't know. I have documented what you, Adam, and other Catholics seem to deny--there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.
Now for the nonsense that you just posted, either provide evidence as to its truthfulness or recant it. 30,000 indeed!!
DHK

 

1. "Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. Vatican Council

2. NOW THE DENIAL STARTS !! Singer

3. Ah, the compounding errors of Catholicism. Not only does the Catholic Church teach error but it also believes that the error it teaches is true!
Mockery,denial, an attempt at humor to divert the question by J.S.

4. My question again J.S. Is there salvation outside of the Catholic Church. Yes or No ??
Singer

[ February 11, 2004, 08:32 AM: Message edited by: Singer ]