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the consequences of a troop pull-out

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Ps104_33, Feb 18, 2007.

  1. Ps104_33

    Ps104_33 New Member

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    I would like to see the opinion of those who support a troop pull-out and those who dont as to what the ramifications of such would be. What scenario can you envision if a complete troop pull-out were implemented if the Democrats get their way?
    How long do you think it would be before we would be right back in?
    Would terrorist atrocities against the United States stop if we let them win?
    Are we wasting time, lives, and billions of dollars trying to place democratic governments in islamic countries?
     
  2. El_Guero

    El_Guero New Member

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    Sounds like you want the USA to pull back the troops and send in the nukes . . .

    I am not for that 'solution', yet.

     
  3. Ps104_33

    Ps104_33 New Member

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    How in the world did you come to that conclusion?
    Although Japan had one of the most brutal regimes in history and look at them now. A very peaceful nation.
     
  4. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member

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    Here is what the Democrats are saying through their leader on this issue, John Murtha, "Murtha wants all the troops home within six months, except for a quick reaction force of about 20,000 who would be based nearby in Kuwait. But he admits that when the Americans leave, a civil war in Iraq will intensify."

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/13/60minutes/main1208423_page2.shtml

    We can also see what happened in Korea, which everyone agrees that we could have won if Truman had given General MacArthur a free hand. The premature withdrawal has led to a nuclear North Korea and a Chinese-dominated state in Korea.

    In Viet Nam, we withdrew and broke our promise, and the communists murdered tens of thousands of people and the people of Viet Nam are still under the iron fist of communism.

    Iran will try to take over Iraq. It is interesting that Iran also wants a nuclear bomb. Clearly, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Jordan will want a nuclear bomb to fight against Iran and Iraq. Murtha makes it unclear how the US economy could survive without Middle East oil and how the US would be unaffected by a widespread Middle Eastern war.

    The far right and the far left want an end to the war for different reasons. The far left wants to dedicate all tax money to domestic welfare. The far right wants to let the world rot while America stays strong on this continent, but World War II showed that it was not possible to go on when Japan, Germany, and Italy took over Europe, Asia, and Africa. The GOP developed an international foreign policy in the late 1930s. After World War II, the Democrats developed a military policy of weak defense that relied on diplomacy and the United Nations. The far right in effect agrees with the Democrats.
     
  5. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member

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    Murtha is an idiot.

    Other democrats will be reluctant to support his attempted usurpation of the Constitutional powers of the commander in Chief.
     
  6. Terry_Herrington

    Terry_Herrington New Member

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    He is a Marine veteran who served honorable for over 30 years; you, on the other hand...

    Since this "Commander-in-Chief" has involved the U.S. in an illegal war based on lies, I hope that this Congress does whatever is necessary to withdraw our troops from Iraq as soon as possible.
     
  7. El_Guero

    El_Guero New Member

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    Now I know why terry was having a meltdown today . . .

    He knows his buddy is wrong and he cannot handle the truth.

    Maybe we can send the terry and murtha team over to Iraq to negotiate a peace treaty?

    :laugh:


     
  8. Ed Edwards

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    Saudi Nightmare:

    Saudi Arabia is the oldest Kingdom left
    on the face of the Earth. Of the countries
    in the world with over 10 Million people, Saudi
    is the richest per-capita country in the world.
    Here is their nightmare.

    The Democrats in the USofA get the
    upper hand and pull the USofA troops
    out of Iraq except for a few hundred to
    train Iraqi police persons. Civil war
    including ethnic cleansing starts:
    all the Christians die, Kurds fight Sunni,
    Sunni fights Shia, Shia fight Kurds.
    Iran comes in to settle the fight
    taking over Iraq and killing all Kurds
    and Sunni. As soon as that war is over,
    Iran attacks Saudi with millions of
    13-40 year old Iraqi Shia suicide squads
    leading the way, the Regular Iranian
    army following. After a couple of years
    of this Iran takes the holy cities of
    Media and Mecca.

    The USofA sits back on it's collective
    fist and wonders why we keep having
    monthly 911 type incidents and why we don't have
    enough $12 a gallon gasoline for everybody
    with the money to pay for it.

    Come on people, the Iraqi attack of 2003
    was necessary for the son to do because
    the father in 1994 didn't finish off the Iraqi
    dictator Sadam. Finish the job in Iraq.
     
  9. Bro. James Reed

    Bro. James Reed New Member

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    If nothing else, I wholeheartedly agree with the last part. If GHW Bush had finished the job right, we would not be in this mess and we would be arguing over something else right now.
     
  10. ASLANSPAL

    ASLANSPAL New Member

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    The bush enablers

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    Mad...mad...mad....world of incompetence and doubling down on a bad performance by a dysfunctional (yes Christian) Presdent.

    another dry hole and caught with hands in the cookie jar that will get him and others in the bush culture impeached...oh where oh where is that
    10 billion dollars.

    The Taxpayers wanna know


    bush has hurt this nation and occupied Iraq to make money for his cronies and 160,000 contractors in Iraq...mercy on those on the bottom who suffer and die and anathama on the one percenters who sit back and rake in the money.
     
  11. Ed Edwards

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    Aslanspal: // ... oh where oh where is that
    10 billion dollars.
    The Taxpayers wanna know
    bush has hurt this nation and occupied Iraq to make money for his cronies and 160,000 contractors in Iraq ... //

    Do you ever figure out anything?
    $10,000,000,000 (ten Billion) divided by 160,000 is
    an average of 62,500$ each.

    I make almost that retired each year
    staying in the USofA.

    That is not much money.
    What are those 160,000 contractors
    doing in Iraq? Building up a country
    for the benefit of the local citizens?

    This taxpayer wants to know how the Bush team could
    get such a good bargin for only 62,500$ each???
     
  12. El_Guero

    El_Guero New Member

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    And in harms way . . . shot at . . . and hated by folks back here, just because ya' wanted a job serving your country.

    62.5 . . . I know they ain't getting liberals to work and get shot at that cheap.

    :laugh:

     
  13. saturneptune

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    The consequences at this point in time would be a disaster. Ed has a good post on the situation. It is like anything else in life, the situation has to be judged by the present consequences.

    The fact that this should have been thought out before we invaded, or that we have an inept administration for the next two years are not good arguments for pulling out. It does this nation no good for the democrats to cash in on Bush's mistakes. One is as bad as the other.

    Do I wish we had thought this out before all the lives and money spent? Do I wish we had leadership that knew how to run a war? Sure, anyone does. We can only deal with the situation as it exists today and what is best for this nation.
     
  14. El_Guero

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    Great post!

    :thumbs:

     
  15. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    The Dems do not want the troops out because they sincerely believe it is the right thing to do. They want the troops out because:

    1. They think it will win them favor with the American people and they will win power ie the whitehouse.

    2. The spending on the war is currently redistributing everyones wealth toward Iraq instead of their social programs. It is slowing down their agenda to do away with Capitalism.


    In the end for the left it is not about the troops it is about the money and power.
     
  16. pinoybaptist

    pinoybaptist Active Member

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    That's the way it always is with politics and politicians, left, right, or center.

    As a third worlder who's lived with that reality all his adult years, all I can say is..........WELCOME ABOARD !!

    (oh, but every now and then a true, blue, patriot-statesman comes on the scene, by the way).
     
  17. El_Guero

    El_Guero New Member

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    We need one about now. But, just as soon as he (or she) were to start telling the truth - the liberal agenda would cut him down. And for the narrow minded - there are a bunch of liberals on what you call the right side of the equation. We have very few that are even close to being conservative anymore.
     
  18. LadyEagle

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    Yes. Islam and Democracy are incompatible.
     
  19. carpro

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    I'm not exactly sure of all the consequences, but I'm sure N. Korea and Iran will be delightfully encouraged.

    The morale of our highly professional military forces will undoubtably hit bottom. Right where liberal appeasers prefer it.

    Abandoning Vietnam only caused the deaths of about 3 million SE Asians. I expect the eventual death toll in the Middle East will be at least that. Considering the penchant for muslims to kill each other , it might be much higher.

    Al Qaeda will claim victory and millions of muslims will believe them, and acts of terrorism against the US will positively explode.

    Many times more Americans will die of acts of terrorism than the number of troops lost in Iraq.

    But, hey! what the heck! Anything to keep the liberal appeasers happ:thumbs:y.
     
  20. saturneptune

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    It is time to forget about the George Bush element in all of this, as he is pretty much history. It is time to take the mess that exists and do the best we can for this nation. That solution does not mean pulling out. It means having someone run the war who knows how to win. Then, we fight like we mean to win, then leave.
     
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