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THE DEATH.

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  1. Alex2165

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    THE DEATH.

    Physical death is a such event that shatters life of everyone and people around who became in contact with that phenomena.

    Usually people assume that the physical death is the end of life, not necessary so, it is the end only of the physical existence, but the life continues in the spiritual form and the character and personality of the dead is still preserved in its spiritual form and continue living.

    The Bible has a couple of good examples of it.

    1Samuel 28.13-14
    13.And the king said to her, "Do not be afraid, but what do you see?" And the woman said to Saul, "I see a divine being coming up out of the earth."

    14.And he said to her, "What is his form?" An old man is coming up, and he is wrapped with a robe." And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground and did homage.


    Appearances of Jesus Christ in human physical form after His resurrection (Matthew 28.1-10.16-20) (Mark 16.9-14) (Luke 24.1-8.15-20.25-27.30-31.36-43.50-51) (John 20.11-17.19-20.26) (Acts 1.3, 22.6-11, 27.23-24).


    As the punishment of disobedience of Adam and Eve death became our natural way to exit our physical existence, but our self-being will still exist in the spiritual form, because our souls - the living energy of GOD planted in us by breath of GOD through Adam, will continue living.


    But there is another death, much more serious and horrific than physical death, that is spiritual death, also called as the Second Death.


    Revelation 2.11
    The message of the Lord to the church in Smyrna.
    11."Let anyone who has an ear listen to what the Spirit is saying to the churches. Whoever conquers will not be harmed by the Second Death."


    Revelation 20.5-6.14
    5.The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the First Resurrection.

    6.Blessed and holy are those who share in the First Resurrection. Over these the Second Death has no power, but they will be priests of GOD and of Christ (Revelation 1.6, 5.10, 20.6), and they will reign with Him a thousand years.

    14.And death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire (Isaiah 25.8). This is the Second Death, the lake of fire.


    Second Death means complete termination of spiritual life. It may be described as erasing of the soul out of its existence, which is will be final and irreversible non-existence state.

    Just like fire consume its fuel and then extinguished for the lack of material to burn, probably in the same principal the lake of fire will consume death and Hades (the World of Dead also sometimes called as Hell) and these two entities will perish forever.


    Matthew 10.28
    28."Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul, rather fear *Him (KSB) (Gideons) who can destroy both, soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10.28) (Luke 12.5).

    *Him. In this KSB Bible this word starts from a capital letter indicating GOD. In NRSV it starts from a small letter not indicating GOD, but may indicate Devil, the same written in the Russian Bible. In GNB Bible instead of "Him" or "him" a word "GOD" is written.

    KJV, ESV - him.

    NIV - the One.

    This complete purge of death perhaps will be done to reestablish eternal life on Earth as it was before the Adam and Eve ate forbidden fruit.


    Isaiah 25.8
    8.He will swallow up death for all time (Revelation 20.14, 21.4) (1Corinthians 15.54), and the Lord GOD will wipe tears away from all faces (Revelation 7.17, 21.4), and He will remove the reproach of His people from all the Earth, the Lord has spoken (Hosea 13.14) (Isaiah 26.19).


    Luke 20.38
    38."Now, He is not the GOD of the dead, but of the living, for, all live to Him."
     
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    ~~~~~~~THE KEYS OF HELL AND DEATH~~~~~~

    Great mysteries; great enigmas.

    A great promise to be fulfill still:Luke 20:v.35-35

    35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world-next world/third heaven-, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
    36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

    The Word of God - The Word is God - has the keys to decipher these mysteries or riddles, of course, the question is to have the Spirit to decipher what He reveals. Human wisdom from the whole field of knowledge and science is useless to discern and understand the change from the state the body's full life to death or the reason for the cessation of a person's life.

    So, the key of hell and death is the own Word of God-the Word is God- the Word of God is a twoedged Sword, one for to gives eternal life to the body by the Spirit(a kind of changing-a metamorphosis), and another to kill or to stop the life of the body through the letter, by the way, the letter is the edged used by Satan to kill the souls deceiving the people as is written in
    Revelation 12:v.9 - 9 And the great Dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his messengers were cast out with him.


    The Word of God is also a Rod, a Rod of iron. This is the Rod God given to Moses to take out the Hebrews from the Egypt.

    When God sent Moses to Egypt to get His people out of that idolatrous country ruled by the Devil, He worked with Moses and instructed him at all times what to do and how to do to defeat Pharaoh and get the Hebrew people out of Egypt (by analogy Pharaoh was Satan, who ordered a midwife to kill the boy Moses as soon as he was born. Actually Satan knew Moses would born in that time, more than this, Satan knew who Moses was and how he would be used by God in His Plan).

    Pharaoh left the Hebrew people get out from Egypt only after had suffered severe punishments, there was a battle between God and Satan.

    Firstly God showed to Pharaoh-Satan- a powerful sign, the Power of His Rod-the Word-, which He had given to Moses and it became a serpent - YEAH, the Word of God BECOME A SERPENT - and Moses fled from before it. So, before Pharaoh, Moses cast down to the ground the Rod that God had given to him, and the Rod -the Word of God- again became a serpent. It is impressive that the demons also cast down every man his rod -his message-, and they became serpents in like manner with of Aaron's rod: but what matters IS THAT Aaron's rod -the Word of God - swallowed up their rods.

    NOTE: Take care and flee from the Word when become a serpent, if you be bitten by that kind of serpent you will die, he -the serpent- will kill you. Remember that the letter kills, the Spirit gives life. The Word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged Sword, one for to kill, and other for to gives life, eternal life. This is the keys of hell and of death-Rev. 1:v.18. And JESUS warned: Matt.10:v.28- Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him -God - the Word- which is able to destroy-kill- both soul and body in hell. (yeah, by the Word -God-)

    Revelation 2:v. 7 - 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
    To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.


    Remember 1 Thessalonians 4:v.15-18
    15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (see Daniel 12:v.1-3)

    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

     
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    It is not so easy to live in the world of Devil, the world of death, and among its natural inhabitants that are alive and dead at the same time, simultaneously. It is very complicated and very interesting. They have name that they are alive and are dead, so countless multitudes and multitudes live among dead thinking that they are living among the alive. Pure deceit, but the mystery is great and profound for sure. JESUS said to a young boy: let the dead bury their dead-Matt.8:v.22. Very interesting, no? Let the dead bury their dead.

    In this country where I was born and lives, there is a popular saying that says:
    "Fish dies by the mouth". Would it be true? Yes, it is.

    The Word of GOD says: Death and life are in the power of the tongue (
    in the power of the mouth): and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof (life or death). Prov. 18:v.21 What is the source of death or life? The answer is simple: people's mouths.

    Paul apostle preached saying: Romans 3:v.13-16
    With their tongues they have used deceit;
    the poison of asps (serpents/vipers ) is under their lips, their throat is an open sepulchre(a hole). 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways.

    And James revealed: James 3:v.6 and 8

    The tongue is a fire, a WORLD of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. The tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

    Isaiah 25:v.6
    6 And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

    Revelation 19:v.17
    17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

    Isaiah 25:v.7-9
    7 And He will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people (He will destroy the veil - the mask- which covers the face of all peoples, the veil - the mask- enshrouding all the nations), and the veil that is spread over all nations.

    8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

    9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for Him, and He will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for Him, we will be glad and rejoice in His salvation.

    Isaiah 26:v.19-21 combined with Daniel 12:v.1-3 and 1 Thes. 4:v.15-16

    19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

    20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

    21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
     
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    Concerning the issue of the dead, the Bible revealed to types of dead people.

    Those who are physically dead, and those who are spiritually dead.
    s this that people who are alive live among the dead, and the dead live among those who are alive.


    Spiritually dead people live among those who are spiritually alive, and spiritually alive people living among those who are spiritually dead.

    Spiritual Kingdom of GOD (Heaven) only for spiritually alive people, for those who are spiritually discerned.

    But it will be a time, as it is written in Revelation, the Earth will change, and the GOD will rule the Earth forever, and the Earth, just like Heaven of GOD, will be populated by spiritually alive people.

    The living spiritually of the people will transform the physical life into everlasting immortal life, as it was intended by GOD from the beginning.
     
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    See, it seems you understood not what JESUS said. JESUS said EXPRESSLY , LITERALLY: "let the DEAD bury their DEAD" - Matt.8:v.22. What JESUS said was and is strictly in PHYSICAL sense:
    "Let the dead BURY THEIR dead". JESUS meant that both those who are burying and being buried are all dead.

    See, when Jesus saw great multitudes about Him, He gave commandment to depart unto the other side. But one of His disciples said unto Him: Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him,
    Follow me; and let to the dead bury their dead. JESUS knew that there were many DEAD people in the house of the disciple, enough to BURY the disciple's father. The most important thing for the disciple was to follow JESUS, which is Life.

    In JESUS was Life; and the Life was the Light of men. And the Light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
    John 1:v.4-5

    PS.
    When you post about Scriptures, it is important you call the Word of GOD to give support to your message. The Word is GOD, understand? Avoid using imaginations, opinions, assumptions, conjectures, presumptions, so as not to give the Devil any chance.
     
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    To Oseas

    I already gave enough support for my posts with messages from the Bible, and I can do no more.

    It seems to me that you did not read my posts or you simply do not understand them, fine with me.

    On the other hand, I do not understand you messages, I do not see any meaningful points in your replies, and I do not care for advices.

    Have a good day.
     
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    To understand what JESUS said it is necessary first of all to have the Spirit of Christ. The most important is that you are seeking Him as you say.
     
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    Psalms 115:v.17
    17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.

    James 2:v.26 -
    26 ... the body without the spirit is dead,...

    GOD is Spirit. The Word is GOD.

    No MAN knows the Son, but the Father; neither knows any MAN the Father, save the Son,
    and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him. Mat.11:v.27

     
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    The Word is GOD.

    Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. Ephesians 5:v.14.
     
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    Here is a verse which I believe supports your conclusions.

    (Ecc. 4:2) " Wherefore I praised the dead which are already dead more than the living which are yet alive."

    Most read this as saying I praised the dead more than the living. But more is being said than that.

    Quantrill
     
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    About death and life the Bible has very extensive reference of passages, statements, and verses, and they all reflect different types of conditions of life and death.

    You actually pick up very interesting chapter which is reveal one of many condition under which for some people the death is much better than life, and considered release and relief from the misery of one's life.

    In my KSB Bible this particular chapter of Ecclesiastes 4.1-3, named as, "The evils of Oppression." It does not relate to my original post in any way, but you presented another good example when death much preferable than life.

    So Ecclesiastes (perhaps another name for Solomon) who was very curious, knowledgeable, and experienced man in all sorts of human misery, poverty, labor, wars, diseases, and disasters, at that moment in time became quite emotional and issued this statement saying that those who are not born yet much lucky and better off than those who are alive and struggling in their lives.

    Indeed, to some extend he is right and I completely agree with him, because I can compare my life to those who live in much worse and even inhumane conditions.

    In my case my life worth of living, but when I look at the poorest people of the Earth in some other countries, I always have thought that for these people it is better if they did not born at all.

    To be born impoverished, to live impoverished, and to die impoverished, the life itself became a nightmare and does not have much meaning, and this is why Solomon put such miserable life under a question, is it worth to be born and live for such people?
     
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