The First New Covenant Sermon

According to this post, if the repentant believer dies before he is immersed in water, God will not place him into union with Christ. That is heresy. And I don't use that word very often.

 

You never mentioned anything about the blood. You told me personally that my sins were not washed away because I had not been baptized, even though I had trusted in the shed blood of Christ two years previous to that time, two years previous to the time of my baptism. Now that is heresy.

 

He simply makes them concurrent with each other which produces an impossible dilemma for him.

He must admit that there is no HEART beleif in the gospel, no confession of salvation with the mouth (Rom. 10:10) no regeneration (Eph. 2:10a "created in Christ" UNTO good works) until that person physically steps into the water and makes that profession at that point of time.

Therefore, his candidates for baptism are unbelieving, unrepentant, God haters ("enmity" - Rom. 8:7) rebellious ("not subject to the law of God" unconfessing ignorant blind unregenerates (Eph. 4:18).

I have challenged over and over to find ONE EXAMPLE where anyone baptized such a person ANYWHERE in Scriptures???


HE HAS NOT YET BEEN ABLE TO MEET THIS CHALLENGE!!!!!!!

 

But your not separating them properly. See John 5:24....when does a person cross over from death to life? The moment they believe.

 

Yes, explain how the New Covenant did not start until Pentecost and the first New Covenant sermon was not preached until Pentecost and yet Christ can tell his hearers this using the present tense? Is he telling them of another way of salvation apart from the New Covenant salvation?

 

adisciplinedlearner, would you please respond to my post #41?

 

Wait! You have already denied there is such a thing as unimmersed repentant believer (Rom. 10:10)! You can't have your cake and eat it to!

 

That is a non answer copout. IF a believer isn't put into union with Christ UNTIL they are immersed, then they must go to hell if they die beforehand, according to your theology. There is no other answer.

 

I think you should go back to a Baptist church! Well maybe not the same one you left....nevertheless.

 

And yet you say that a believer is not united to Christ until they are immersed in baptism. Do you not see this is wrong thinking? If a believer has been converted, they are in Christ.

 

But you have restricted conversion to Christ within the confines of water. There is no conversion to Christ before baptism (Rom. 10:10) according to your position! There is no belief with the heart. There is no confession with the mouth.

Why then would he tell lost Jews to believe as your position is there was no New Covenant sermon until Pentecosts Acts 2:38?

Are you reversing yourself now and claiming that John 5:24 is the first New Covenant Sermon????

 

adisciplinedlearner, you didn't answer my question. Do you attend a church or corporate worship services?

 

Baptism is a symbol of Christ's death, burial and resurrection and our identification with Him.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is what bring us into union with Christ.

When Cornelius was baptized with the Holy Spirit, was he in union with Christ at that time? Or did he have to wait until he was immersed in water?

 

Sounds spiritual.....not!