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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by jeremiah1five, Oct 17, 2018.

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  1. jeremiah1five

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    I should have been clearer. It was for Yeshua1.

    Apostolic Succession as it is called is unbiblical. God does not replace, He adds.

    He subtracts, He multiplies, and He divides.

    But never replaces apostles.

    He adds.

    Acts 2:47 (KJV)
    47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
     
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    OK.
     
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    The better question is, will you recognize him as one ;)
     
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    Doesn't say "apostles" but "such as should be saved".
     
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    This post is full of the misuse of scripture, it fails to provide proof of the statements given it only assumes they are true. So what I am denying is your understanding of scripture.
     
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    Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

    I recognize NO MAN now as a prophet!... Brother Glen:)
     
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    Numbers 11:29 (KJV)
    29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!

    Jeremiah (lower-case "j") is my spiritual name given me of God.

    I am a curious sort also. Why do you ask and what understanding do you have of the prophet in the Church since Pentecost?
     
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    The doctrine of the Trinity is a doctrine of tradition - it took about 300 years to develop.

    "Apostle" is one of those transliteration words apostolon which many times the KJV translators presented as "apostle" or sometimes "messenger" or one "sent" therefore the Greek text and context along with the other scriptures must be examined.

    In the final analysis the Lamb of God has only 12 Apostles though many are they who are "sent".

    In eternity:
    Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
     
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    I'm not saying apostle.
    I'm saying God does not replace in His Body, He adds.

    Judas will forever be known as apostle of the Lamb. He was an apostle and Christ says he is. His name will be in one of the twelve foundations of the wall of the Great City.

    Revelation 21:14 (KJV)
    14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
     
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    That remains to be seen.
     
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    It may have taken 300 years to develop but it has always been in Scripture.

    I agree. There are only 12 apostles of the Lamb.

    And their names will be on the foundation of the wall of the Great City.
     
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    Man says "show me and I will believe!"

    God says "believe and you will see!"
     
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    say what? 1 Corinthians 14:29-31
     
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    Yet it is tradition and there is an acceptable tradition:

    Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

    The tradition of Jesus Christ, the prophets and the apostles - the completed revelation of God.

    Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

    Hebrews 2
    3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
    4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
     
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    I believe but see it differently.
     
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    I find it interesting that Barnabas was a prophet and teacher (Acts 13:1) and His name means "Son of Comfort/Consolation/encouragement"--1 Corinthians 14:31
     
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    Yes, an interesting statement here by Moses.
     
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    Unfortunately, there is a stigma concerning "Apostles and Prophets." However, just because there are counterfeits running around, does not mean there are not true ones. Does the reality of counterfeit money stop you from using real money? You may be more cautious, particularly if you are a business owner or on the receiving side, but that should not prevent the usage of real money.
     
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    That's your prerogative, HankD, but the tradition Jesus blasted was that of the religious leaders who only knew the letter of the law, and the tradition that Paul speaks of is what he taught them which was spirit of the law and consistent with Biblical Christianity. You are confusing the two. But as I said that is your prerogative to hold to the traditions of men because what this thread has revealed using the Scripture, the tradition you hold to is erroneous because it is man's tradition, not God's/Bible.
     
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    You believe error, and there is nothing I can say - nor is there anything the Scripture can say that clearly reveals that denying the apostle is denying the life of Christ in is people.
    It is plain. It is simple.
     
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