1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured The Golden Chain Part II

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Jul 29, 2022.

  1. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    22,429
    Likes Received:
    805
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Romans 8:28-30 NASB
    And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.
    For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters;
    and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

    1) Who are those "called" according to His purpose? Those who love God. Thus created beings who exist and have chosen to love God. Some translations choose to include the article, thus reading those who are the called according to His purpose. Therefore those in view are those who have been transferred into Christ's spiritual body.

    2) Who are those He foreknew? Those who have been individually called (placed within Christ's spiritual body) because they love God.

    3) How did God foreknow them or what about them did He know beforehand? God's redemption plan was to choose believers that He credited with righteous faith. Thus God knew beforehand that believers who love God were the chosen ones, the called.

    4) What else did God plan and predestine for those chosen? To cause them to be conformed to the image of His Son.

    5) Now in the present, God is implementing His redemption plan, calling those whose faith He credits, by setting them apart in Christ, the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit.

    6) And these placed into Christ, are made alive together with Christ, undergoing the washing of regeneration, which removes whatever God held against them, and thus are justified by the blood of Christ.

    7) And therefore, our spiritual rebirth as children of God, glories us as siblings of Christ, made blameless and perfect and righteous. And of course, those who are "the called" have been glorified.
     
    #1 Van, Jul 29, 2022
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2022
    • Like Like x 1
  2. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    22,429
    Likes Received:
    805
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Romans 8:28 (Interpretive Translation)

    Yet we have perceived that the ones loving God...
    The Greek word translated ones loving God is a verb participle that acts as an adjective describing its subject whether supplied or implied. Therefore those called exist and have chosen to love God.

    All is working together for good...
    No matter the circumstances of those saved, the end result will be the blessings of salvation, thus no matter what, all works together for ultimate good.

    to the ones being called according to purpose...
    Those called according to God's purpose are those that love God and have righteous faith as determined by God.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2018
    Messages:
    11,128
    Likes Received:
    912
    Faith:
    Baptist
    1 John 4:19, ". . . We love him, because he first loved us. . . ."
     
    • Like Like x 1
  4. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    22,429
    Likes Received:
    805
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Romans 8:29 (Interpretive Translation)

    Because those whom God knew would be chosen based on their love and faith,

    He also designated beforehand that they would be conformed to the image of His Son,

    For His Son would be the firstborn of many siblings.
     
  5. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    22,429
    Likes Received:
    805
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Of course!!!! Therefore, drum roll please, we existed and had learned of God's love before we chose to believe in the truth.
     
  6. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    22,429
    Likes Received:
    805
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Romans 8:30 (Interpretive Translation)

    Yet those whom He designated beforehand (in His Redemption plan) to be conformed,

    He also called - those called in this usage are those transferred spiritually into Christ's spiritual body, thus those saved.

    And those whom He called, He also justified - once placed within and thus given to Christ, believers undergo the washing of regeneration, resulting in being made alive and therefore justified, no longer dead in sin.

    And those whom He justified, He also glorified - as a blameless, righteous, perfect spiritual child of God and sibling of Christ.
     
  7. Martin Marprelate

    Martin Marprelate Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2010
    Messages:
    7,731
    Likes Received:
    1,932
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Who are those "called" according to His purpose? Those whom God loves. God is no man's debtor.
     
  8. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2019
    Messages:
    9,828
    Likes Received:
    1,817
    Faith:
    Baptist
    1. No, they are not called because they love God. That denies other verses in the very same letter. Nobody loves God.
    2. He foreknew the ones he predestined.
    3. He knew them intimately as those he would make the sons of God. The ones He would save.
    4. correct
    5. No, you are just wrong on this. The calling happens BEFORE the faith, not during or after.
    6. We are not placed into Christ. We are chosen to be in Christ before the foundation of the world.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  9. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2020
    Messages:
    8,138
    Likes Received:
    1,273
    Faith:
    Baptist
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  10. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    22,429
    Likes Received:
    805
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Romans 8:28 (Interpretive Translation)

    Yet we have perceived that the ones loving God...
    The Greek word translated ones loving God is a verb participle that acts as an adjective describing its subject whether supplied or implied. Therefore those called exist and have chosen to love God.

    All is working together for good...
    No matter the circumstances of those saved, the end result will be the blessings of salvation, thus no matter what, all works together for ultimate good.

    to the ones being called according to purpose...
    Those called according to God's purpose are those that love God and have righteous faith as determined by God
     
  11. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    22,429
    Likes Received:
    805
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Romans 8:29 (Interpretive Translation)
    Because those whom God knew would be chosen based on their love and faith,
    He also designated beforehand that they would be conformed to the image of His Son,
    For His Son would be the firstborn of many siblings.
     
  12. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    22,429
    Likes Received:
    805
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Romans 8:30 (Interpretive Translation)
    Yet those whom He designated beforehand (in His Redemption plan) to be conformed,
    He also called - those called in this usage are those transferred spiritually into Christ's spiritual body, thus those saved.
    And those whom He called, He also justified - once placed within and thus given to Christ, believers undergo the washing of regeneration, resulting in being made alive and therefore justified, no longer dead in sin.
    And those whom He justified, He also glorified - as a blameless, righteous, perfect spiritual child of God and sibling of Christ.
     
  13. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    22,429
    Likes Received:
    805
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Romans 8:28-30 NASB
    And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.
    For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters;
    and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

    1) Who are those "called" according to His purpose? Those who love God. Thus created beings who exist and have chosen to love God. Some translations choose to include the article, thus reading those who are the called according to His purpose. Therefore those in view are those who have been transferred into Christ's spiritual body.

    2) Who are those He foreknew? Those who have been individually called (placed within Christ's spiritual body) because they love God.

    3) How did God foreknow them or what about them did He know beforehand? God's redemption plan was to choose believers that He credited with righteous faith. Thus God knew beforehand that believers who love God were the chosen ones, the called.

    4) What else did God plan and predestine for those chosen? To cause them to be conformed to the image of His Son.

    5) Now in the present, God is implementing His redemption plan, calling those whose faith He credits, by setting them apart in Christ, the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit.

    6) And these placed into Christ, are made alive together with Christ, undergoing the washing of regeneration, which removes whatever God held against them, and thus are justified by the blood of Christ.

    7) And therefore, our spiritual rebirth as children of God, glories us as siblings of Christ, made blameless and perfect and righteous. And of course, those who are "the called" have been glorified.
     
  14. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    22,429
    Likes Received:
    805
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Yet we have perceived that for the ones loving God, all is working together for good, to the ones becoming "the called" according to His purpose. Because those whom God knew would be chosen based on their love and faith, He also designated beforehand to be conformed to the image of His Son, for His Son would be the firstborn of many siblings. And those He designated beforehand, in His Redemption plan, He also called (or transferred into Christ), and those He called, He also justified (by the washing of regeneration) and those whom He justified, He also glorified as blameless, righteous, perfect spiritual children of God, siblings of Christ.
     
  15. percho

    percho Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2009
    Messages:
    6,562
    Likes Received:
    415
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Methinks the most important word in the two verses is, "purpose".

    Your words, "designated beforehand".

    That the ones, under law, he should redeem From Gal 4:5 - From Gal 3:22 But locks up together the scripture, the all, under sin.

    Thou shall not eat of it. --------- Is that why, the all, need to be redeemed?

    What is the, "purpose," the called are purposed for and why does it require them to be the first-fruit in the image of the resurrected Christ?

    Rev 20:6
    Rev 5:10
     
  16. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2019
    Messages:
    9,828
    Likes Received:
    1,817
    Faith:
    Baptist
    See, you really do believe in a works based salvation.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  17. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2020
    Messages:
    8,138
    Likes Received:
    1,273
    Faith:
    Baptist
    There are some who think that their actions are a cooperative requirement in order for God to extend grace. They cannot grasp that any required effort on their part entirely removes grace from salvation and makes it works based salvation.

    In my experience, it really is a massive blind spot that only God can seem to remove through the unbiased reading of his word.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  18. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    22,429
    Likes Received:
    805
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The purpose of God choosing a people for His own possession is stated over and over in scripture. Read 1 Peter 2:9-10
     
  19. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    22,429
    Likes Received:
    805
    Faith:
    Baptist
    See, you really believe in making false claims about Romans 9:16
     
  20. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    22,429
    Likes Received:
    805
    Faith:
    Baptist
    What does "called according to His purpose" mean? We have already presented the view that those called are those who are transferred into Christ's spiritual body, becoming "the called."

    "According to" translates the preposition "Kata" with the meaning of "in consequence of" so the idea is that those transferred, were transferred in consequence of "His purpose."

    Purpose translates a Greek word meaning to place before others a determination or plan of action, such as God's Redemption Plan. So those transferred into Christ's spiritual body were transferred in consequence of God's predetermined redemption plan, His purpose.

    Yet we have perceived that for the ones loving God, all is working together for good, to the ones becoming "the called" according to His purpose.
     
Loading...