The History Channel)Shroud of Turin =The Real Face of Jesus (full)

[Bro. Curtis]

And you're using this putative attack as a reason to not answer questions about the subject ?

 

[Revmitchell]

Regardless of what is in the video it is not possible that this shroud, that so many people want it to be, is the shroud of Christ. Just in John chapter 20 alone it says that the"napkin" that was about his head was a different part of the grave clothes.

Joh 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.


This shroud shows that his head was covered by the same piece as what covered the rest of his body.

Further, the fact that people want to find some special healing powers in this shows people are not very rational when it comes to what this is. People are looking and wanting to find miracles in things that do not force them to be committed to anything. They want what is easy. I have no use for that.

If we want to see miracles from God we need to be living and serving God sacrificially. In the midst of that sacrificial service to God we will see miraculous things. Without it we will not.

 

[CatMommy]

Just to close this issue of Nazarite status of Jesus out, he demonstrated he was Nazarite in Mark 14:22–25.
And when the 'vinegar" (Hyssop = Psalm51:7) was offered to his lips while he was on the cross, his mission, vow, was accomplished. John 19:28-29.

The passage in Numbers identifies Jesus as Nazarite in that he came to earth to serve God. Naziyr in Genesis is transliterated to Nazarite at least 22 times in scripture.
Genesis 49:26 , describes Joseph and his lineage of the prophesied Messiah is described in I Chronicles 7:20-27. So while the Messiah came through the lineage of Judah, Joseph through Ephraim also brought forth a great deliverer.

Further, with regard to the Naziyr vow prohibiting contact with the dead, Jesus came to overcome the law, but he also didn't come in contact with the dead. He raised Lazarus his cousin from a distance. And the little girl who was the daughter of the Roman Centurion from a distance as well.
But these showed his power and authority as a man and the living God.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Just to close this issue of Nazarite status of Jesus out, he demonstrated he was Nazarite in Mark 14:22–25.

Can you link us to an explanation of how you came to this conclusion ?

Before I continue I'll give you a chance.

But I really do wish you would answer my questions, as well.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Further, with regard to the Naziyr vow prohibiting contact with the dead, Jesus came to overcome the law, but he also didn't come in contact with the dead. He raised Lazarus his cousin from a distance. And the little girl who was the daughter of the Roman Centurion from a distance as well.

The Centurion soldier didn't have a dead daughter. He had a servant to be healed.

Jarius had a dead daughter and he pleaded with Jesus to come with him and lay hands on her and bring her back.

Jesus did. He told the mourners to go home and took the dead girl by the hand and said, "Get up little girl."

And he came to the men carried the widow's dead son on the "bier" (the coffin thing (whatever that looked like) and he touched it and told him to get up.

He did come in contact with the dead.

 

[CatMommy]

My error.
And so what? He was God. He could come in contact with the dead because in his realm of the spirit they weren't really dead at all.

I'll not debate the Nazarite issue here. Let's keep to the video.
Or not.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

My error.
And so what? He was God. He could come in contact with the dead because in his realm of the spirit they weren't really dead at all.

I'll not debate the Nazarite issue here. Let's keep to the video.
Or not.

No. Let's talk about the actual shroud. The Nazarite thing is just a way to show you that the shroud could not be genuine.

Ignoring my questions doesn't make me stop asking them.

 

[RLBosley]

Regardless of what is in the video it is not possible that this shroud, that so many people want it to be, is the shroud of Christ. Just in John chapter 20 alone it says that the"napkin" that was about his head was a different part of the grave clothes.

Joh 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.


This shroud shows that his head was covered by the same piece as what covered the rest of his body.

Further, the fact that people want to find some special healing powers in this shows people are not very rational when it comes to what this is. People are looking and wanting to find miracles in things that do not force them to be committed to anything. They want what is easy. I have no use for that.

If we want to see miracles from God we need to be living and serving God sacrificially. In the midst of that sacrificial service to God we will see miraculous things. Without it we will not.

Spot on. :thumbs:

 

[OldRegular]

The Real Face of Jesus - Full Ray Downing Documentary Video

I love this documentary. I hope you enjoy it too. :godisgood:

The Shroud of Turin is fraudulent. Scripture proves it if people would only believe it.

John 20:1-6
1. The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
2. Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
3. Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
4. So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
5. And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
6. Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
7. And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

 

[BobRyan]

The RCC has a whole stack of false artifacts -- including enough supposed pieces of Christ's Cross to build Noah's Ark.

And of course they used the fraudulent "Donation of Constantine" for many centuries after it was fully "outed" as an RCC fraud.

having said that --how does the John 20 text prove their shroud to be false? (Given the 56 minute point in the video and also 1:12;00 of the video)