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The Holy Spirit of Promise poured on Christ seed !

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    Isa 44:3

    3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

    This Promise is made to Christ and His Seed, His seed being those He died for and Justified, whom He gave His soul an offering for sin for Isa 53:10,11

    10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

    11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

    It is His Seed, the Seed of Christ,His Body the Church that the Promise of Isa 44:3 refers to !

    It began to be fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost when the Spirit was poured out upon a jewish remnant of Christ's seed the Church, hence we read this Acts 2:32-33

    32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

    33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed/poured forth this, which ye now see and hear.

    The word shed is the greek word ekcheo:

    I pour out (liquid or solid); I shed, bestow liberally.

    And its actually the same word pour as in Isa 44:3

    3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

    Its also the Blessing of Abraham poured out on the Gentile aspect of the Church Gal 3:13-14

    13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

    Its the same Promise of the Spirit as Promised in Isa 44:3 ! Thats because Christ's Seed was also found in the Gentile world, for its a Spiritual Seed !

    The Gentile Believers as well as the jewish ones were sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise Eph 1:13

    13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

    These here are Christ's Seed that had been Chosen in Him before the foundation Eph 1:3-4

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

    4 According as he hath chosen us [His Seed] in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    As being among Christ's Chosen Seed, whether jew or Gentile, the Spirit has been Promised unto us Isa 44:3

    3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

    The jewish remnant had no advantage in this matter over the Gentile remnant, So Peter says of them regarding the Holy Spirit of promise Acts 10:45

    And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost

    Which solidified the fact that Gentiles also had been counted among the Seed/ Offspring of Christ Isa 44:3

    3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

    Now, The Spirit of Promise was poured out on the jewish remnant of Christ's Seed on Pentecost Acts 2:32-33 and also upon the Gentile Remnant Acts 10:45 !

    It was a Gift to the jewish remnant Acts 2:38 and the same Gift was given to the Gentile remnant Acts 10:45 !

    Because both were of His Seed ! And the Spirit was Promised to be poured out on His Seed, whom He redeemed !
     
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    Chosen to be Set apart unto Faith by the Spirit !

    Those God did choose in Christ before the foundation Per Eph 1:4, He chose also that in time, by a Sovereign Work of the Spirit [as a fruit of Christ's death] that they believe the Truth, which means Faith Per 2 Thess 2:13

    13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you [Eph 1:4]to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

    Ἡμεῖς δὲ ὀφείλομεν εὐχαριστεῖν τῷ θεῷ πάντοτε περὶ ὑμῶν ἀδελφοὶ ἠγαπημένοι ὑπὸ κυρίου ὅτι εἵλετο ὑμᾶς ὁ θεὸς ἀπ᾽ αρχῆς εἰς σωτηρίαν ἐν ἁγιασμῷ πνεύματος καὶ πίστει ἀληθείας

    The word belief here is a noun pistis and is translated Faith 239 X and means:

    I.conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it

    A.relating to God

    i.the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ


    This is the same word used in Eph 2:8

    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    This all the mores confirms that Faith and or Belief of the Truth is a Fruit of the Holy Spirit Gal 5:22

    22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
     
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    Chosen to be Set apart unto Faith by the Spirit !2

    The Sanctification of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13 is a Requisite in believing the Truth, it is by it He gives us Spiritual Life, separating us from the spiritually dead, setting us apart unto the Gospel, That is what Sanctification of the Spirit does, it sets men and women apart experimentally to God and the Gospel of God . It is just like Paul the Apostle stated of his own experience Rom 1:1

    Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle or messenger, separated or set apart unto the gospel of God,

    The word sanctification in 2 Thess 2:13 is the greek word hagiasmos:

    the process of making or becoming holy, set apart, sanctification, holiness, consecration.

    And there its being set apart unto the Gospel , to the belief of it !

    Now don't misunderstand me, all are not set apart unto the Office of An Apostle as Paul and the Twelve were, but all have been set apart unto the belief of it, and to be Servants of it to some capacity, and definitely all are called to contend for it to some degree or other Jude 1:3

    3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith[of the Gospel] which was once delivered unto the saints.

    Phil 1:27

    27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
     
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    Because we are Sons !

    Because we are Sons , God sends the Spirit of Adoption into our hearts, whereby we cry abba father Rom 8:15

    15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

    Also Gal 4:4-6

    But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

    5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

    Note: Even though the word receive used in this verses are in the active voice, the subjects were passive in the reception, they received because the Gidt was given or bestowed upon them or communicated in them !

    For instance the Spirit is said to have been sent into your hearts in Vs 6 ! So they received it because God sent it into them !

    Again in Acts 10:47

    Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received G2983 the Holy Ghost as well as we?

    The same word for receive lambano is used here in the active voice, however we know they received it by it being bestowed upon them while Peter was Preaching Acts 10:44-45

    44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

    Notice the words fell on ! that makes them passive in how they received it ! It means the Holy Ghost seized them and took possession of them !

    45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Notice here the words poured out, as in pour out on them ! They again were passive in how they received the Holy Ghost Gift !

    The word pour means to bestow upon :

    So they receive what was given or bestowed upon them !


    The word lambano means:
    1. to receive (what is given or bestowed), to gain, get, obtain, to get back
    The Holy Spirit was given to the Gentiles Peter says Acts 11:17

    Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
    The Holy Ghost


    Now we know Peter means by Gift the Holy Ghost, and the word Gave is the greek word didōmi which does mean:
    1. to give
    2. to give something to someone
      1. of one's own accord to give one something, to his advantage
      2. to bestow a gift
    So this shows that receivng the Holy Spirit of Adoption is a Passive work, its received because it was given or bestowed !
     
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    Because we are Sons !2

    Now all for whom Christ died, He actually redeemed them from the curse of the Law, having been made a curse for them Gal 3:13-14

    13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    Note: Their had to be a relationship already between Christ and those He had a Family Right to redeem !

    14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

    This redemption was in order that the Gentiles might receive the Promise of the Spirit !

    Thas what Peter meant here Acts 10:45,47

    And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

    This shows that the Gentiles partook of the redemptive blood of Christ and that they also must have been in a family relationship with Him to be their Redeemer.

    Christ had to act as under the requirement of a near kinsmen redeemer ! Lev 23:23-25

    23 ‘The land, moreover, shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine; for you are but aliens and sojourners with Me. 24 Thus for every [a]piece of your property, you are to provide for the redemption of the land.

    25‘If a [b]fellow countryman of yours becomes so poor he has to sell part of his property, then his nearest kinsman is to come and buy back what his [c]relative has sold.

    And Christ was made under the Law doe this Purpose Gal 4:4-6

    4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

    5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

    The word redeem in Vs 5 means:



    to redeem
    1. by payment of a price to recover from the power of another, to ransom, buy off
    Now Christ had to be a near kinsmen to these Gentiles to be a qualified redeemer unto them by the Law He was made under ! How was He their near kinsmen redeemer ? We know it was not by their flesh or jewish ethnicity bloodline because they were Gentiles !
     
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    Because we are Sons !3

    These things go to prove that it was God's Sons, Christ's brethren that He died for Heb 2:17

    Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

    In this they were the children of God, in fact the many brethren spoken of here are they Rom 8:29

    For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    The brethren in Heb 2:17 and the ones in Rom 8:29 are the exact same, it has nothing to do with being a ethnic jew or a Gentile, fleshly relations has nothing to do with it, that is not what being children of God is about !

    And to further prove that they were children/sons of God whom Christ died and redeemed, Christ's Spirit is sent into their hearts to give them Life Gal 4:4-6

    But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

    To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    And because ye are sons/children, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

    The Spirit is sent for two things, to give Life out of the dead, redemptive life Eph 2:5

    and to confirm and authenticate that they are the children of God, and as evidence of this new life, as newborn babes spanked on the bottom, we cry abba father, it gives evidence of now having a living vital relationship, being established through Christ for the redeemed ones !

    This proves that Christ's their Elder Brother Redeemer, His Life and Death in their names, on their behalf satisfied God's Law and Justice, that sin has been dealt effectively with, and Righteousness for them established, and death has been abolished for them ! For it is impossible [in the justice of God] for any for whom Christ died to remain in spiritual death and unbelief [for unbelief is but a symptom of spiritual death] for they are consequences of sin Rom 6:23. If our sins have been effectively dealt with, so has our death unto God, and Life to God must be granted instead, so we read:

    Rom 6:9-11

    Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

    For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

    Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
     
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    Because we are Sons !4

    Now because those Christ died for are Sons/children His redemptive death ensures redemptive life out of the Spirit of Christ Gal 4:4-6

    4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

    5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

    He writes it another way here Gal 3:13-14

    Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

    In other words, the Spirit of Adoption in Gal 4:5 is the same as the promise of the Spirit in Gal 3:14, both received as a result of Christ's Redemptive death !

    And by receiving the Spirit we also receive the fruit of Faith Gal 5:22 which embraces the preached Gospel, and that manifests us as the Children or Sons of God Gal 3:26

    For ye are all the[redeemed] children of God by[because of] faith in Christ Jesus.

    The Faith in Jesus Christ is what reveals that we were always secretly the Children of God !
     
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    Because we are Sons !5

    When we are given the Spirit of Adoption because we are redeemed sons/children Gal 4:6, then was given Faith as a fruit of the Spirit of Adoption Gal 5:22

    22 But the fruit of the Spirit[of Adoption Gal 4:5-6] is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

    This Faith is liken also as a breathing after God in Christ, its our inwrd evidence of Life from Christ and that we are children of God experimentally Rom 8:15-16

    15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption [by redemption Gal 4:4-6], whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

    16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our[human] spirit, that we are the children of God:

    John says those believing on Christ has the witness in themselves 1 Jn 5:10

    10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

    The Spirit for Christ's sake of redenption gives Life to the redeemed children of God Jn 6:63

    63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    Faith or believing is the fruit of evidence of this Life given by the Spirit, and it ignites the Calling upon the Name of the Lord,

    So we dont call upon the name of the Lord to obtain or get life, thats backwards, we believe and or call upon the name of the Lord as evidence that we have been given Life by the Spirit, and our new founded spiritual relationship with God in Christ is made manifested by our crying out Abba Father. And in a Spiritual redemptive sense Christ is Our Father Isa 9:6

    6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    For the word Father 'ab :

    1. father of an individual
    2. of God as father of his people
    3. head or founder of a household, group, family, or clan



    4. ancestor
      1. grandfather, forefathers — of person
      2. of people
    5. originator or patron of a class, profession, or art
    6. of producer, generator (fig.)
    7. of benevolence and protection (fig.)
    8. term of respect and honour
    9. ruler or chief (spec.)
    Christ is called a Prince or chief or a ruler Acts 5:31

    Acts 3:15;5:31

    Hes the Head of a Household Heb 3:6

    6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

    As the Prince of Life Acts 3:15 this describes the portion of the greek definition of Father Pater :

    1. one who has infused his own spirit into others, who actuates and governs their minds
    father; one who imparts life and is committed to it; a progenitor, bringing into being to pass on the potential for likeness

    It is Christ Himself who gives us Eternal Life Jn 10:28

    And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    Jn 17:2

    As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

    So redemptively as a Gift from the Father, He is Our Father, we are His Children God gave Him to give Life to Heb 2:13

    13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

    Christ gives us Life as Our Redemptive Father 1 Cor 15:45

    45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    The Last Adam had to be a Head as the first man Adam !
     
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    What is this Blessing of Abraham ?

    Gal 3:13-14

    13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

    Hint, its something stated in this verse that shall happen or come upon the Gentiles through/in Jesus Christ

    The Blessing of Abraham is that God through or in Christ, Abraham's Seed Gal 3:16, that the Gentiles might receive upon them, the Promise of the Spirit, for as in Christ they are Abrahams Spiritual Seed.

    God gives Abraham a Spiritual Seed, as He did give Him a natural seed, yet this Spiritual Seed is not through being born physically, but being born Spiritually, and by this Birth Spiritually comes the fruit of Faith Gal 5:22 which identifies them as Abraham's Spiritual Seed, thats why we read in Gal 3:7,9

    7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

    9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

    We become of Faith because we are Children given to Abraham by the Promise of God.

    God Promised Abraham a Seed or that He would multiply him here Gen 17:1-5

    And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

    2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

    3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

    4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

    5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

    Those who are of Faith are part of the Multiplying God promised to Abraham in Vs 2 !

    They are found to be amongst the Gentiles from Vs 4-5 , thats how he becomes a Father of many nations, because God has given him a seed or children from the many nations, and so upon them comes the Blessing of Abraham, which is the Spirit in and through Jesus Christ, which seals them and identifies them as Abraham's Spiritual Children promised by God Himself ! God sware this to Abraham Heb 6:13-14

    13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,

    14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.

    This agrees with Gen 17:2

    2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. and

    Gen 22:17-18

    17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

    18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

    This Blessing comes through/in Christ Jesus Abrahams Seed, and its the Blessing of the Spirit !

    God would give Abraham a Spiritual seed, not born by natural birth, but by a Spiritual birth, which is what Isaacs birth typified by his supernatural birth, opposed to what ishmaels birth typified by his birth by the flesh, one after the Spirit and promise, and one after the flesh and human effort Gal 4:29

    29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

    And all True Believers, whether jew or Gentile are born after the typical Isaac, the Child of Promise Gal 4:28

    28 Now we, brethren[believers in Christ], as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

    And have receive the Spirit of Promise through Jesus Christ Gal 3:14

    14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith or according to the Faith.
     
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    The New Birth foreordained from the beginning !

    Another reason why Jesus said to nicodemus " Ye must be born again " as Per Jn 3:6-7

    6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

    For it is by this means man can be confirmed into that Image of Christ, as being confirmed to being originally made or created in the Image of God from the beginning here Gen 1:26

    26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    The True Image and Likeness of God lied not in our natural creation in Adam from the dust of the ground, but in our election in Christ, who is the Image and Likeness of God with Heavenly Glory Heb 1:2-3

    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

    3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

    That word image the greek word charaktér:

    an impression, representation, exact reproduction; a graving-tool.

    properly, an engraving; (figuratively) an exact impression (likeness) which also reflects inner character.

    So mans being made at the first in the Image and Likeness of God in Adam, had to be confirmed by being conformed to the Image of Christ , Gods Son Rom 8:29

    29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    The same Son as in Heb 1:2-3

    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

    3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

    Now understand, its the Spirits New Creation of us that experimentally conforms us to the Image of Gods Son, the Lord Jesus Christ as Per 2 Cor 3:18

    But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

    You see that ? The fulfillment of being made in the Image and Likeness of God from Gen 1:26, lies in a work of the Spirit, its confirmed upon us by the Spirit of the Lord !

    This was a preordained Glory 1 Cor 2:7

    7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

    The Father Purposed Our Glory in the Image and Likeness of God, the Son provided the Necessary satisfaction to the Law and Justice of Gods Holy Law we sinned against originally in Adam, and the Spirit, out of the ruins of the Fall makes us again by New Birth and changes us into the Image of Christ, the Lord of Glory !

    When it says in Gen 1:26 " Let us make Man in Our Image and Likeness" the Spirit was speaking as well, and He fulfills His Part in making Us New Creatures in Christ, He Himself performs a Creation Act 2 Cor 5:17

    Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

    Eph 2:10

    For we are his workmanship, created[by the Spirit] in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    Eph 4:24

    And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created[by the Spirit] in righteousness and true holiness.

    Col 3:10

    And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created[by the Spirit] him:

    It was written once in the Book of Job ,Job 33:4

    The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty has given me life.

    John Gill comments on this verse is noteworthy

    This also may more than suggest that men in OT times, knew of the Birth of the Spirit !

    So, in order for man to live up to what he was in the beginning at Creation according to the Purpose of the Triune God, Made in the Image and Likeness of God, he must be in due time be born of the Spirit !
     
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    Spirit given that we may know things freely given us !

    1 Cor 2:12

    12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

    This is the same as the Spirit of Adoption Gal 4:5-6

    5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

    Gal 3:13-14

    13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

    Its upon receiving the Spirit of God into our hearts are we equipped to know the things that are freely given to us of God as Per 1 Cor 2:12 !

    That word know in 1 Cor 2:12 is the greek word eidó and means:

    I know, remember, appreciate

    properly, to see with physical eyes (cf. Ro 1:11), as it naturally bridges to the metaphorical sense: perceiving ("mentally seeing"). This is akin to the expressions: "I see what You mean"; "I see what you are saying."

    ("seeing that becomes knowing") then is a gateway to grasp spiritual truth (reality) from a physical plane. 1492 (eídō) then is physical seeing (sight) which should be the constant bridge to mental and spiritual seeing (comprehension).

    We are given the Spirit in order to spiritually comprehend or see the things freely given us of God !

    The things freely given us, namely by the Grace of God through the Lord Jesus Christ. The words freely given are the words in the original
    charizomai and means:

    (a) I show favor to, (b) I pardon, forgive, (c) I show kindness.

    xarízomai (from 5485 /xáris, "grace, extending favor") – properly, to extend favor ("grace"), freely give favor to grant forgiveness (pardon).

    ("favor that cancels") is used of God giving His grace to pardon. This is freely done and therefore not based on any merit of the one receiving forgiveness.

    Now this favor, forgiveness, we are given by God when He gave up Christ for us to die for us, Rom 8:32

    32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

    Paul indicates here, all whom God gave Christ to be delivered up for, along with that, He shall freely give us all things. The words freely give are the same as in 1 Cor 2:12

    /xarízomai ("favor that cancels") is used of God giving His grace to pardon. This is freely done and therefore not based on any merit of the one receiving forgiveness.

    So when God delivered up Christ for us, it automatically equates to Him giving us freely, the forgiveness of sins, which is also Justification. Remember Paul had written back in Rom 4:25

    25 Who was delivered[same word deliver in Rom 8:32 for our offences, and was raised again for our justification

    He was raised again because of our Justification which means:

    The word Justification dikaiósis means:

    acquittal, justifying, justification, a process of absolution.

    These terms relate to forgiveness and pardon ! And so Rom 4:25 proves Rom 8:32,

    And its these things, why we are given the Spirit of God to know of, appreciate, comprehend of !
     
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    Spirit given that we may know things freely given us ! 2

    Now since the Holy Spirit is given so that we may know the things freely given to us of God, such things as Forgiveness of sins, Acquittal, Justification from sin, then it serves to reason that when God sends Gospel Preachers to Preach to us the forgiveness of sins as here Acts 13:38

    Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

    Then those ones have been given the Spirit of God so that they can appreciate, and comprehend that which is being preached to them !

    The word Preached here kataggelló means:

    I declare openly, proclaim, preach, laud, celebrate.

    to announce, declare, promulgate, make known; to proclaim publicly, publish

    The Gospel makes known to them the forgiveness of sins ! The Spirit applies the Truth to their hearts to comfort them, thats why He is also called the comforter See Jn 14:16,26;15:26;16:7 and what is the promise to those mourn their sins Matt 5:4

    4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

    So the Preaching of forgiveness of sins is to those who have been given the comforter, which is the Spirit of God !
     
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    He shall Testify of Me !

    Jn 15:26

    26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify/bear witness of me:

    What I believe Jesus to be saying here to His Church, that following His Death for them, the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, will be sent to them to bear witness of Him,and yet this Work/Mission of the Spirit is not restricted to them only, but for the whole ransomed Church which He gave Himself in behalf of Matt 20:28

    28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

    1 Tim 2:6

    6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

    God by the Spirit would give Apostolic Testimony to all the ransomed Isa 35:10

    They shall believe on Christ by their [The Apostles] word Jn 17:20

    20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall [inevitably] believe on me through their word;

    The Spirits coming, the Spirit of Truth, in the economy of Salvation, was to give Testimony inwardly of the Truth of Christ, to all the ransomed, redeemed Church of God, bringing them to Faith !128
     
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    After the Spirit is given us we Look in Faith to Christ !

    After the Spirit is given us we Look in Faith to Christ ! This Truth which I will prove from scripture makes it without question that Spiritual Birth precedes Faith in the Crucified One !

    Zech 12:10

    10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

    Now if we notice, following the pouring upon certain ones, the Spirit of Grace , which is the Holy Spirit, called so also in the NT here Heb 10:29

    Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

    Following that , as a result of that, they shall LOOK upon Him whom they have pierced !

    Now this LOOK is a Look of Faith, it is the Seeing of the Son Jesus mentions here Jn 6:40

    40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Its the Seeing that precedes the believing on the Son ! Here how we know ! The word Look in Zech 12:10 is the heb word nabat and means:

    beheld (1), behold (1), beholds (2), consider (2), depend (1), depended (1), gaze (1), gazed (1), look (34), look down (2), looked (11), looks (4), observe (1), observed (1), pay attention (1), regard (2), see (3).

    Now in comparison, the Word See in Jn 6:40 is the greek word theóreó and means:

    I behold, look at, experience
    Definition: I look at, gaze, behold; I see, experience, discern; I partake of.

    to view attentively, take a view of, survey: τί, Matthew 28:1; to view mentally, consider

    So clearly its describing the same action, the Looking is the Seeing which leads to believing on the Son,

    However, we are blessed enough to understand that the Seeing is the direct result of the Outpouring of the Spirit of Grace upon the ones looking and seeing !

    Also that word pour in Zech 12:10 is the same word used for the pouring of the Spirit here Titus 3:5-6

    5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

    6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;


    Thats Right, Paul here is speaking about the same thing happening in Zech 12:10 regarding the Spirit being shed or poured on them !

    And this is what is needed before Faith in Christ is a reality or something we can do !
     
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    The sealing by the Spirit after belief of the Gospel !

    You want to know why a True Believer cannot depart from the Faith as here 1 Tim 4:1 and Lk 8:13 , its because when they hear and believe the Gospel of their Salvation, God the Holy Spirit seals them until the day of redemption Eph 1:13-14

    In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

    Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

    Eph 4:30

    And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

    This sealing ensures our perseverance in the Faith of the Gospel, in fact its that anointing John writes of here 1 Jn 2:27

    But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

    And notice the promise given to the Spirit taught believer, Ye SHALL abide in Him ! That means the believer shall remain in the teachings of the Spirit, and in another place John writes Jn 14:27

    Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

    So no falling away from the Truth of the Gospel Faith is even possible for the Holy Spirit sealed believer. The true believer can never be of those spoken of here Heb 10:38-39

    Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

    But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

    See thats what departing from the faith is 1 Tim 4:1

    Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

    The words depart from, the greek aphistēmi means:

    F.to withdraw one's self from, to fall away

    B.to desert, withdraw from one

    C.to fall away, become faithless

    Now the sealed believer cannot become faithless anymore, like they were before belief in the Gospel !

    For that to happen, the Seal of the Spirit of God would have to be defeated, overcome or broken ! And to think that is possible is Blasphemous to the Spirit of God !
     
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    The Spirit draws to Christ !

    Jn 6:44

    44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


    Jn 12:32

    32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

    Now whether it be the Father drawing one to Christ so they come, or the Son drawing to Himself, so they come, either or, The Spirit is working in behalf of Both to accomplish their Saving Purpose. Christ says this of the Spirits sending Jn 14:26

    But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    Again Jn 15:26

    But when the Comforter[The Holy Spirit] is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

    Jesus said He will send the Spirit from the Father to the Church , the Body of Christ !

    Jn 16:7

    Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

    And by the Spirit Jesus sends Life, when He send the Spirit He gives Life to a dead member of His Body, and so the Spirit quickens [gives life] in behalf of both the Father and the Son to the Church members Jn 6:63

    It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    The Spirit quickening us gives new and Spiritual Life, which propels motion towards Christ, a motion we dont have without Spiritual Life, all activity and motion such as coming is, takes life ! How can one come to Christ without Life ? Life from the Spirit impels us with motion toward Christ ! Thats the drawing of both the Father and the Son as well !
     
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    no debate here.
     
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