The Homeless

[Salty]

Situation at Dunkin Donuts, in Syracuse, NY. A homeless man was often at Dunkin. He was told he could not stay there permanently. Recently, an employee pored water over the homeless man while he was sleeping.
Shortly thereafter the employee was fired. Then several people in the area started to picket Dunkin - saying they were unfair to the homeless man. First - Dunkin did fire the employee. (do you think he should have been fired) so why the picket? Second - the mans Aunt said she was willing to take him in - but the homeless man refused.

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[canadyjd]

Situation at Dunkin Donuts, in Syracuse, NY. A homeless man was often at Dunkin. He was told he could not stay there permanently. Recently, an employee pored water over the homeless man while he was sleeping.
Shortly thereafter the employee was fired. Then several people in the area started to picket Dunkin - saying they were unfair to the homeless man. First - Dunkin did fire the employee. (do you think he should have been fired) so why the picket? Second - the mans Aunt said she was willing to take him in - but the homeless man refused.

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The employee was wrong and should have been fired.

Does state or local law prohibit the conduct of the homeless man?

Protesters? Get a job. To much time on their hands.

 

[Jerome]

the mans Aunt said she was willing to take him in - but the homeless man refused.

St. Louis Post-Dispatch - Man died in port-a-potty that served as his home

"the Rev. Larry Rice and his ministry gave out $5 gift cards to McDonald’s on Friday. The cards, and a prayer service, were in memory of Grover Perry, the man who recently died in the downtown port-a-potty where he resided."

"Perry, 56, who had been homeless much of his adult life, was found dead Wednesday in a port-a-potty across from the Wainwright State Office Building. He’d been living in it for weeks, employees in the area said. Ricee, said Perry would sometimes stay at the pastor’s New Life Evangelistic Center on Locust Street before the emergency shelter was shut down for code and occupancy violations."

"'He was one of the guys who just didn’t want to come off the street,' said Jim Tate, 61, a former homeless man in the crowd who knew Perry....He also said Perry drank a lot, anything 'he could hustle up.' Frank Perry, of Dellwood, said that his brother would stay with family at times but that Grover preferred to live on the streets."

 

[Salty]

The employee was wrong and should have been fired.

I agree the employee was wrong - but my thinking is I would have suspended him - say for a week - and then be on probation
for the next six months. --- use it as a teaching moment.

Does state or local law prohibit the conduct of the homeless man?

Off hand, I do not know

Protesters? Get a job. To much time on their hands.

agree

 

[church mouse guy]

The jails are full, the mental hospitals are closed, and the rescue missions are regulated by government so that they can no longer preach the gospel. When there is a Republican President, homelessness becomes an issue. It stops being an issue when the Democrats live in the White House. Los Angeles, as you know, has 58,000 homeless, ninety-five percent of whom are black, displaced by cheaper illegal aliens in the workplace. No one has an answer to this problem but building a wall and stopping the influx of cheap labor would help if the rich of both parties were not addicted to cheap labor. When an illegal is broken physically by heavy labor in middle age, the rich try to put him on welfare or leave him homeless.

Since government on all levels is drowning in debt, the best thing to do is to allow the rescue missions to preach the gospel to those that they feed and shelter. There are extensive programs dating back to the 1980s to help homeless, unemployed veterans. Cities such as Indianapolis have passed laws allowing the police to arrest those who will not go to shelters during freezing weather because that is cheaper than treating the medical damage due to frostbite and exposure.

The law needs to be changed to force homeless mental patients who will not regularly take their medicine into mental hospitals, which must be re-opened. Addicts, who now are addicted to both drugs and alcohol it seems, are mostly helped by the gospel as treatment programs are largely unsuccessful.

Indianapolis arrests the homeless in large numbers during the 500 race but leaves them alone other than that. Addicts and homosexuals die young. Downtowns are pushing the homeless into neighborhoods as downtowns decay nationally.

Decades ago there were day labor agencies that provided spot jobs for a day or two which paid wages daily and alcoholics worked those jobs.. With the decline of manufacturing, those jobs disappeared.

The best thing that government could do is to allow The Salvation Army an other Christian rescue missions to preach the gospel unhindered, as a rescue mission required attendance at a religious service daily before supper, a shower, and a bed for the night until the government made chapel attendance voluntary and destroyed the rescue missions.

Build the wall and deport illegals with criminal records==that will help some. Re-open mental hospitals for uncooperative mentally ill. Allow the rescue missions to preach the gospel.

 

[HankD]

So, is it right to let even 1 human being starve to death regardless of their moral status?

 

[Salty]

What do you mean that a rescue cannot preach the gospel? Don't know about Indiana, but here in Syr - they do preach the gospel at
the rescue mission.

I do agree that that there are to many goverment regulations for rescue missions. However - that is one platform of Mr. Trump - do away with
needless regulations.
You mention illegals - another platform of Trump.

 

[church mouse guy]

What do you mean that a rescue cannot preach the gospel? Don't know about Indiana, but here in Syr - they do preach the gospel at
the rescue mission.

I do agree that that there are to many goverment regulations for rescue missions. However - that is one platform of Mr. Trump - do away with
needless regulations.
You mention illegals - another platform of Trump.

When the rescue missions accept federal help even in the form of food stamps, and the Boards of Health have practically abolished food donations from restaurants and other such venues, then under the guise of religious freedom, the feds have said that it is up to the individual about attending the religious service. In other words, the government has said that religious service attendance at a rescue mission is voluntary instead of mandatory. The last that I heard, Indianapolis only had one mission (Good News Mission) operated by IFBs that did not take one red cent of government aid and they alone were able to have a compulsory mandatory chapel service. The missions have been pushed out of downtown Indianapolis to some extent but it is too little too late. The Indianapolis city government is trying to set hours for when a homeless person can sleep on the sidewalk downtown. The correct answer should be never but the struggle is to just abolish it during business hours.

A lot of alcohol treatment counselors are funded by the Indiana Department regulating such things, and they also highly regulate missions and enforce some federal guidelines because the states often are administering federal money. When Fanny Crosby worked in the New York rescue missions, I doubt if there were any serious government regulations under than fire and sanitation rules. Recovering alcoholics often work in rescue missions.

Thanks for your question! I have no idea what to do in cases such as Los Angeles but I would do something to tear down those tent cities. Someone said that it was the most dangerous place that he had ever been. General Booth said it best:

“While women weep, as they do now,
I'll fight
While little children go hungry, as they do now,
I'll fight
While men go to prison, in and out, in and out, as they do now,
I'll fight
While there is a drunkard left,
While there is a poor lost girl upon the streets,
While there remains one dark soul without the light of God,
I'll fight-I'll fight to the very end!”

― William Booth

 

[Adonia]

It was right that the employee was fired, as his behavior was completely unacceptable. If the owner or manager gave the man permission to be there then all employees should have been aware of that policy and act accordingly towards him.