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The Jesuit Origins of Futurism

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 1689Dave, Aug 30, 2018.

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  1. robycop3

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    Not according to Rev. 20:4!
     
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    Of course he doesn't. Seems like this gent is a closet preterist. That's one of the verses that proves preterism false, & prets avoid it like a dose of ebola.
     
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    Do you believe the Jesuits were right? According to Larkin and Schaff?
     
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    As I said, the 1000 years is a symbol for Satan's binding. It is not the Kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom when loosed. The saints do the binding under the same 1000 year symbol as they preach the gospel to the nations.
     
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    Don't you want to be with Jesus in Jerusalem for a thousand years?
     
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    Nope, as its the time when Jesus reigns here upon the earth, and THEN he turns it over to the Father, and then the Eternal State!
     
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    When satan is really bound, there will be no more false religions/cults around, as he will not be able to deceive any mor. When did that happen?
     
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    This has already been disproved. The Futurist position dates back to OT times and is mentioned, directly, in the New Testament.

    It won't work to wait a couple days then state the same false information again. The Jesuit source of Futurism has already been proven to be a lie.
     
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    Many of the ECF held to a form of futurist premil, so how did they get it from the Jesuits before they even existed?
     
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    I think it is more important that the the Jesuits built on Premillennialism. Historic "premills" did not insert a gap into Daniel. So their futurism was in looking for a physical kingdom.
     
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    So you are a "universalist"? Everybody gets saved in the end?
     
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    Jesus is reigning now (God rules all and Jesus is God). When he returns we enter the New Heavens and Earth.
     
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    With sickness and death? Animal sacrifices and a return to the Old Covenant? BTW, if flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God, that leaves only saints in glorified bodies to offer these sacrifices. And For Satan to deceive when "loosed"......
     
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    They looked for the Kingdom to be set up when Jesus returned!
     
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    No, God forbid, that view is almost as bad as full blown preterism!
     
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    I was stating that the Age of messiah will be animals no longer feasting on each other, no more wars, famines, diosease, false religions...
     
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    But the "Millennium" has animal sacrifices and a return to Old Covenant laws.
     
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    Well, if Satan is bound as you say, everyone gets saved.
     
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    As memorials for the nations, to remember what Jesus did, much as we do with communion now!
     
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    He restores Israel (Believers in Christ) in the resurrection on the last day. And we enter the New Heavens and Earth forever.
     
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