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  1. The Biblicist

    The Biblicist Well-Known Member
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    The word "FOR our justification" means for the future accomplishment of our justification by faith, not "FOR" in sense of accomplishment in an of itself.

    The proof I am right is the verse before and the verse after it. The verse before it states imputation is yet a FUTURE accomplishment based upon "FAITH" while the verse after it proves it was accomplished "BY FAITH" not by his resurrection from the grave. He was raised "FOR" our justification through faith when and where we believed in the purpose of his resurrection.
     
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    The word for means because of. It is the prep dia :

    the ground or reason by which something is or is not done

    1) by reason of

    2) on account of

    3) because of for this reason

    4) therefore

    5) on this account

    Now, Christ was delivered on account of the offences of the Elect, and so He was Raised on account of their Justification, it is Just that simple false teacher !

    Again Rom 4:25


    Who was delivered for[on the count of] our offences, and was raised again for [on account of] our justification.

    If Christ would not have risen, they would be still in their sins !
     
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    Yes, that is right! The resurrection is the reason and ground for justification by faith and that is the demand of the verse before and after Romans 4:24. Just read it and stop jerking verse 24 out of its context.

    I dare you to interpret verse 25 by verses 24 and Romans 5:1. I dare you to make any reasonable application of those two verses to Romans 4:24! Go ahead and try!
     
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    I know thats right, so again Rom 4:25

    Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

    If the Elect were not actually Justified before God from all their offences, then Christ would not have risen !
     
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    The term "for" refers to the resurrection as the BASIS for justification not justificaiton itself. The context proves this MUST be the true interpretation for the word "dia" as the verse before and after demand that justification is BY FAITH in regard to implementation whereas the resurrection was the BASIS for this implementation BY FAITH.

    You are a false teacher, with a false gospel, whose conscience is seared by demons who hate the gospel of Jesus Christ and are using you as their voice against Christ and His gospel of grace THROUGH FAITH.
     
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    I just went over that ! Rom 4:25

    25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for [because of] our justification.

    If the Elect were not Justified from all sin before God by Christ's sacrifice, Christ would have not risen from the dead !
     
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    Apparently you don't even believe the definition you gave????? You gave the primary definition to be "basis" not IMPLEMENTATION! He was resurrected FOR THE BASIS of our justificaiton THROUGH FAITH as the text before and after clearly and plainly tell you if you could read!
     
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    Apparently you don't:

    Rom 4:25

    25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for [because of] our justification.

    If the Elect were not Justified from all sin before God by Christ's sacrifice, Christ would have not risen from the dead !
     
    #108 savedbymercy, May 7, 2012
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    The point of both the verse preceding and following is that justification is "by faith." Verse 24 demands it is yet FUTURE "shall be" and that FUTURE imputation is based upon the conditon that one "believe in him." Romans 5:1 explicitly states that they are "justified BY FAITH."

    There are two prepositional phrases in verse 25. The first is retrospective declaring that Christ died "FOR" in behalf of our sins. The second phrase is prospective declaring that the resurrection was in behalf of our justification, which is "by faith" as verse 24 and Romans 5:1 explicitly state.

    How was the resurrection in behalf of our justification by faith? Because the resurrection declares that God accepted his death for us and therefore He will also accept our faith in this gospel for our justification.
     
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    More Lies. Rom 4:25 has nothing to do with a persons Faith. Paul testimony here is about the work of Christ ALONE ! Lets Read Rom 4:25

    25 Who [Christ] was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for [because of] our justification.

    Nothing about man's faith here ! This is more of your eisegesis
     
    #110 savedbymercy, May 8, 2012
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    The reason why everyone Christ died for shall live by Faith, because, everyone He died for shall be born again by His Resurrection from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    This Lively hope is also Faith !
     
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    The proof has been put on display that your interpetation is wrong! Go get a life and stop living in delusion and trying to deceive everyone. Anyone that can read can see that JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH is the context before and after Romans 4:25 and verse 25 is merely the essence of the gospel message which is the object of faith that justifies the believer.
     
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    The only thing you have proved to me is that you reject the Truth of God !
     
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    Here is our little PARROT friend. He cannot refute the expository evidence placed before his eyes and so his seared little conscience just does the PARROT routine - repeat and repeat and repeat his errors.
     
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    The reason why everyone Christ died for shall live by Faith, because, everyone He died for shall be born again by His Resurrection from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    This Lively hope is also Faith !
     
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    You are confusing the BASIS for our regeneration with our actual regeneration which is not by the resurrection but as Jesus told Nicodemus "Born OF THE SPIRIT"!

    You are so spiritually blind you cannot distinguish between Covenant Obligation and Covenant fulfillment. You cannot distinguish between the basis for justification and justification by faith. You cannot distinguish between the basis of regeneration which is the resurrection of Jesus Christ and what we are actually regenerated by - "OF THE SPIRIT." You need to be quiet and sit and listen and learn the truth.
     
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    The reason why everyone Christ died for shall live by Faith, because, everyone He died for shall be born again by His Resurrection from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    The Resurrection of Jesus Christ is both the basis and the cause of the New Birth. The Elect live from the Life communicated to them from the Resurrection, this was prophesied !

    Isa 26:19

    Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

    The Elect in the Purpose of God rose up together with Christ their Head, so says Paul Eph 2:5-6

    5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

    6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:


    You just lack Spiritual Understanding. The Whole Church of God raised up together with Christ when God raised Him up from the Dead.

    That is why the Spirit must give them New Birth, because of the Resurrection !

    None of that had absolutely nothing to do with the Elect's Faith ! All Christ ! He gets all the Glory, not even the Holy Spirit wants any Glory, for as Christ says, He [ The Holy Spirit] shall not speak of Himself, but shall Glorify ME Jn 16:13-14

    13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
     
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    You are clueless. The Lord Jesus Christ became obligated to the Covenant before He fulfilled in time.

    The obligation was before the world began, however He became obligated before the world began as the Surety of the Elect, so that when they did sin in time, He was already held in obligation for their sins by Covenant arrangement, so at the Point of time they Transgressed in Adam Gen 3, God looked not to them for reparation, but to the One who became their Surety before the World began. Christ at the split moment the Elect sinned, was legally Guilty before God on their behalf, God not once Looked to them for satisfaction to His Law, but Solely to Christ ! All of their transgressions were His Sole Responsibility BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN ! As Far as God was concerned they owed His Law and Justice Nothing, it was as though they never sinned !

    In light of the Everlasting Covenant, God could not impute the sins of the elect unto them, that is Why Paul Preached 2 Cor 5:19

    To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    Since you know everything, when did God impute one sin or trespass against the Elect ? Prove it by scripture !
     
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    Our little Parrot does not know the difference between the resurrection of Jesus Christ and new birth by the Spirit of God. The resurrection declares the power by which the elect are born again but the resurrection has for its object the physical body of Jesus Christ whereas our new birth has for its object the spirit of man - What is born of Spirit is spirit.

    The texts that SGM quotes merely provides the basis for not only our regeneration in time and space but also to live the Christian life as the Christian life is lived by the resurrection power of the Holy Spirit:

    Rom. 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
    9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
    10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
    11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

    Rom. 8:10 ΒΆ And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
    11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
    12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
    13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live    .

    So you see, the resurrection of Jesus Christ is the same basis for not merely the power that quickens us spiritually but empowers us to live daily for God.

    However, no one was literally and actually born again by Christ's resurrection. It is merely the basis for our regeneration by the same Spirit and the basis for our sanctification by the same Spirit but both in connection with faith - justifying faith and sanctifying faith.
     
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    I just explained it to you, and I have explained it before today before. This is just as usual your rabbit trails and misrepresenting and insults, when you cannot accept the Truth !
     
    #120 savedbymercy, May 8, 2012
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