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Source for this quote. Actually, I agree with the request to provide sources for all quotes. Sorry I missed this one.

Reagan's Record
Sorry to spoil the birthday party, but …By Michael Kinsley
Posted Friday, Feb. 9, 2001, at 3:00 AM ET
http://www.slate.com/id/100474/


Ronald Reagan's 90th birthday has set off a national debate about the Reagan presidency. Was it as wonderful as we thought at the time? Or, on the other hand, was it even more wonderful? Happy birthday to Mr. Reagan, a genial, well-meaning, patriotic man, who never (we presume) had oral sex near the Oval Office. A great leader, too, in the general view—and on the question of leadership, the general view is, by definition, hard to dispute. On most other subjects, though, objective fact may be worth consulting as well. On that basis, Reagan's achievements as president appear in hindsight to be just about exactly as wonderful as I thought at the time. Not very.

 

See how easy that is ?

Now all you have to do is admit that this isn't your first round here, that you have posted previously, under two different monikers.

I will admit you are better preparing yourself, this time around.

 

How many troops have we lost in Bosnia?

 

So the misjudgment/lie is OK with you ? Man, you hold the dems to some pretty low standards. How about some consistency ? You either support imperialism or you don't. Which is it ?

 

First, I have not seen where President Clinton "promised" to stay in Bosnia for only twelve months; politicians usually leave themselves a way out. Also, if the troops should not have been used in Bosnia, then why didn't President Bush withdraw the troops and stop the air strikes started under Clinton?

 

President Reagan accomplished something that is anathema to most if not all democrat/liberal/leftists. He defeated the Soviet Union without firing a shot. Many in the left had for years advocated that we cave to the Soviet Union. They still would given the opportunity.

Reagan proposed a missile defense system which was instrumental in the defeat of the Soviets. For this he was criticized roundly and painted as a fool by the democrat/liberal/left. His proposed missile defense system was tagged as "Star Wars". But now we have an operational system despite the ignorance of those on the left.

Because Reagan defeated the Soviet Union he will never be forgiven, but always hated and vilified, by the "pinkos" on this Forum and in the democrat party.

 

My guess is because they are two sides of the same coin.

 

He promised that we would be out of Kosovo by Christmas of that year.

House Republican Policy Committee
Policy Perspective Christopher Cox, Chairman


CLINTON'S BROKEN PROMISE SIGNALS FAILURE IN BOSNIA
August 7, 1996

Introduction: Delayed Pullout

Last November, as he prepared to order American troops to the former Yugoslavia, President Clinton promised in writing to the Speaker of the House what the nation's top soldier, Gen. John Shalikashvili, had told Congress in testimony a month before: that "we have set one year as a deadline for withdrawal of these forces from Bosnia-Herzegovina."

In testimony before the House International Relations Committee on November 30, 1995, Secretary of Defense William Perry confirmed the one-year duration of the mission. He said:

"[W]e have based our planning and our scheduling of this force on it being there for 1 year ... building down the force for withdrawal at the end of about 1 year."

Not all were so sanguine that the Bosnia mission's goals, ill-defined as they were, could be accomplished within the time-frame the Administration promised. During an October 18, 1995 hearing, Tom Lantos, a senior Democrat on the House International Relations Committee, was justified in saying to Secretary Perry,

"I think I understand why the administration facing a hostile Congress is promising a 1-year deadline, but I think it is a dangerous course of action because I think there is a very strong possibility that at the end of the year we will find it necessary to extend the mission. I think it would be more honest to say so at the outset."

In March 1996, several months into the deployment, the administration was still publicly committed to withdrawing the troops after a year. Robert Hunter, the President's Ambassador to NATO, stated flatly, "We, as NATO, took a very careful decision about how long we were prepared to stay. We agreed on a year. We went in together, and we're going to leave together." And Richard Holbrooke, until recently Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs, said, "The president has given a very clear commitment on the 12 months. That is our policy. It will remain our policy."

Not for long. By June 7, 1996, the NATO regional commander, Adm. Leighton Smith, was saying that "there will be forces here beyond a year." Defense Secretary William Perry acknowledged that the Dayton Accords, the basis for the U.S. deployment, call for the mission to end in December, but said that he would recommend keeping U.S. troops in Bosnia next year if NATO thinks "some further action is needed" in the region.

 

Once again, I have no idea what you're talking about. Who was this other poster you're confusing me with? I'm not going to waste any more time on this foolishness and will ignore any more grilling along these lines.

 

I'm going to let you on something OR and I don't want you to be upset or anything so I'm going to tell you up front I was/am a Ronald Reagan fan. But the whole truth about the fall of the U.S.S.R is that it would have fallen even if Reagan done nothing and you already know why.

Because socialism doesn't work!

The Soviet Union was rotten from within and was pretty much an empty shell by the time Reagan took office. He knew that because all the intell boys told him that.

All he did was hurry the fall along by getting the Soviets into an arms race they couldn't afford. Was it a good thing? Maybe, maybe not. Does he deserve credit? Yes. Does he deserve all the credit? no. So, in other words you are in fact perpetuating a half truth about Ronald Reagan.

Are we still buddies?

 

Still Buddies! Just ask yourself the question what would have happened if George McGovern had been elected president.

 

It's not Christ-like to tell fibs. I knew who you were in like 5 posts. I'm not "confusing" you with anyone. I'm willing to bet a hundred push-ups.

 

Are you advocating an immediate withdrawal from Bush's wars of aggression?

 

Just babbling as usual.......

 

With 60 posts it would be difficult to determine what "as usual"is with posters on this board. And such rhetoric is quite familiar Just Christian.

 

You know my position on this, already. I know your position, as well, that Obama's bombings are OK, but Bush is a murderer. You haven't changed.

 

Two points....

1) You said you weren't going to address this anymore.

2) If you are really new here, how would you know what my "usual" post consists of.....

 

Just Christian you haven't changed in your short banning.

 

Ever read the archives? It's interesting. Have a blessed day.