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The New Jerusalem

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by David Hill, Apr 10, 2004.

  1. David Hill

    David Hill New Member

    Mar 30, 2004
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    Is 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of Y'hova's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.


    In Hebrews 11, it states that Abraham looked for a
    City of God. However, the only Revelation that he had
    at the time, that we know of, was the first 10
    chapters of Genesis. Hence, in theory, the City of God
    should be mentioned in those chapters. The garden of
    Eden was named after this City of God called Eden or

    After the Fall and just before the Flood, God left the
    earth in the City, and it is the departure that
    directly caused the flood itself (Gen 6:17), by
    "opening up the floodgates of heaven" rupturing the
    Water Vapor Canopy (Henry Morris, "The Biblical Basis
    for Modern Science"), and the removal of the weight of
    this city from the earth allowed the "Foundations of
    the Deep to be Broken up". This departure lead to a
    War in Heaven BEFORE the flood ("I saw Satan
    aslightning fall from heaven" notice this is in the
    tense), and it is the return of this city for
    touchdown that results in the War in Heaven and Earth
    in these last days (Rev 12). During this time, the
    City has been traveling about the heavens, possibly in
    an orbit around this earth (Planet X? which some say
    has an orbital period of about 1800 yrs but how do
    they know it is not about 900?), which brings it near
    earth about every thousand years (Job 7:18 where
    'morning' is one of the Lord's mornings or a thousand
    years - Ps 90:4).

    Now, before we go further we need to state that the
    original view of the Church was that the New Jerusalem
    was going to be established on this earth at the start
    of the Mill and not at the end, which is in agreement
    with the prophecies in the Old Test, especially those
    that speak of the "Mountain of the Lord's Holiness"
    being established "In the Top of the Mountains" etc.
    And along with this, the fires that Peter talks about,
    are drawn from the Old Test and are refering to the
    end of the Trib and NOT the end of the Mill, for
    during the Mill the earth will be restored (and this
    is what our Lord called the Restoration of All Things)
    and will not then be subsequently destroyed (see 2Pet
    3:10-13, Rev 21:1, Is 40:7, Joel 1:19, Am 9:5,Mic 1:4,
    Nah 1:4-6, Hab 3:5, Zech 13:9, 14:12 etc). The belief
    that the New Jerusalem wasn't going to be established
    until after the Millenium was put forth after the
    revival of the PreMill faith in the 1800's or so and
    is assuredly incorrect (compare Rev 21-22 with Is 60
    and 54). Thus Peters says, "If the passages alluded to
    are compared, such is the similarity of blessing, of
    events, of deliverance etc, that they necessarily MUST
    be applied to the same period of time..." (compare
    also, Is 2:2,30:29, 57:7-73, Ez 17:2328:14, Dan 2:35,
    Joel 3:17, Mic 4:1, Zech 8:3, etc).

    All this seems to be verified by Don Richardson
    ("Eternity in their Hearts", Regal Books, 1981, pg
    80-81), in the religious anthrological hymn of the
    Karen's of Burma, "At the appointed season Y'wa will
    come...dead trees will blossom and flower...mouldering
    trees will blossom and bloom again. Y'wa will come and
    bring the great Thau-thee ("Thau-Thee" seems to be the
    name of a sacred mountain.). Let us ascend and
    worship...Good persons, the good, shall go to the
    Silver City, the Silver town. Righteous persons, the
    Righteous, shall go to the New Town, the New City.
    Persons who believe their father and mother shall
    enjoy the Golden Palace. When the Karen King arrives,
    there will be only one Monarch. When the Karen King
    arrives, there will be neither rich nor poor."

    These people believed that in ages past, God - Y'wa -
    had given them His words, but that they had lost them.
    But that one day a white man carrying a white book
    whould restore God's word to them (along with 9 other
    distinct peoples totalling about three million
    people). This prophecy that God had given these people
    began to be fulfilled when, in 1817, Judson set his
    sights on Burma for the Kingdom of God and the Gospel
    of the Kingdom. Their culture apparently, according to
    Richardson, was UNAFFECTED by either Judaism or
    Christianity, thus this tradition of the City has been
    passed down since the time of the flood
    (and before) and the city therefore can only be
    understood as having existed on this earth preflood,
    and its restoration directly leads to the restoration
    of this earth.

    It is the return of the city that leads to many
    "Cosmic Disturbances" as well as MAJOR Geological
    changes in the Earth:

    Fires - Already listed but see also the entire book of
    Amos, Ez 38:20, Ob 17, Is 31:5 etc. Note also the
    Fiery Law of Deut 32 (see "Israel Today" Jan 2002, No.
    37, pg 13 an excellent article and publication - you
    should be able to order it at vicmord.com). This word
    "Esh-Dat (Fire-Law) occurs only once. This is kin to
    Strongs 793 and 794 and would make a possible
    translation to read, "From His right hand went a Fiery
    Stream for them" which is consistant with other
    passages in the Word and with Eridanus in the Heavens
    - the Fiery River of Judgement.

    Whirlwinds - Job 37:9, Pr 1:27, 10:25, Ps 18 etc.
    Which can be Hurricanes, storms, tempests,tumults

    Hailstones - Ps 148:8, Is 28, 30, Ez 38, Rev 8, 11, 16

    Earthquakes - Jer 4, Is 29, Rev 6, Ps 77 and 97 etc.

    Poleshift - Hab 3:6 another in Is 24 states the earth
    will reel to and fro like a drunkard and fall and
    never rise again, which can only be refering to a Pole
    Shift (see book by same name). That they have occured
    in the past has been proven by the different traces of
    polarization in different strata of the earth.

    Celestial - Ps 77,97, Hab 3, Is 13, Mt 24, Rev etc.

    Geographical - Rivers in deserts, Streams dry up, Mtns
    melt, Valleys exaulted, there are so many Scriptures
    that I can't list them all here. But the majority of
    the major geographical changes will occur at the
    moment that the NJ touches down on the earth.

    All of these changes will start with the NJ taking up
    an orbit around our sun and slowly moving towards the
    earth over the next seven years - still hidden in the
    glare of the sun. In fact, I believe that the NJ IS

    Gamma Ray burst in Bootes pointing right at earth (New
    "visitor" orbits our sun - Millenium Group (99);
    Increased Solar Activity even after the normal peak;
    Satelite pulled away from earth towards sun; Increased
    earthquakes, plagues etc; Amberescense - "The Light
    seems different"; Individual reports he saw a Square
    Rainbow around sun; Media reports a Halo around sun;
    Global Warming with eratic weather and El Nino's;
    People get a sense that things are "speeding up" ;
    Scientists prove that the second we lose every year we
    are no longer losing indicating that the earth's spin
    is speeding up; Larger than normal Corona Mass
    Ejections; all of these indicate that there is a
    massive new member of our solar system that is
    affecting this earth.

    These are just some of the indications that things are
    about to change dramatically for this planet, and I
    feel that it is a result of the approach of the City.
    These will increase as it approaches and by the last
    year it will take up a Geostationary orbit over the
    eastern portion of the Med sea at the start of the
    trumpets - the last seven months of trib (see my post
    on The Golden Ratio of the Revelation), and plunging
    the Antichrist's kingdom into darkness and hence the
    throne mentioned under the sixth seal IS the New
    Jerusalem (compare with Ps 48, 1Sam 2, Job 26, Ps 11,
    Is 22, 66, Jer 17, Dan 7:9, Mt 5:34, 19:28, 25:31, Heb
    4:16, Rev 4:2 etc), and thus the NJ is The Throne of

    Then the descent being the vials and the touchdown
    destroying the cities of the world (Zeph 1:15, 3:6, Mt
    11:20, 2Pet 2:6, Rev 16:19, Jer 4:26 etc) and breaking
    up the foundations of the earth causing some rivers to
    run dry (Euphraties and Nile etc) and others to spring
    up in the deserts. The passage through our atmosphere
    will roll the heavens back "like a scroll" and cause
    all the whirlwinds and tempests and hail and
    electrical storms and will take out most, if not all,
    of the remaining satellites, making it look like the
    "stars of the heavens" were falling - and it also
    might be meteorites that were dragged along in its
    wake. All these events are also spelled out in the
    endtimes discourses of our Lord reported in the
    Gospels, and this touchdown occurs at the time when
    God says, "IT IS FINISHED" (Rev 21:6,16:7,10:17,John
    19:30) at the Seventh and last Vial.

    All of this is summed up by Hab 3:6 in what, to me, is
    the most incredibly POWERFUL and AWEFULL statement in
    the Word of God, "He stood, and measured the earth: he
    beheld, and DROVE ASUNDER THE NATIONS; and the
    everlasting mountains were scattered, the perpetual
    hills did bow: his ways are everlasting."

    Now to digress a little bit. The Angel states that the
    city is four square and the length and width and
    heigth are all equal and that the total dimensions
    amount to 12,000 furlongs. My interpretation of this
    dimension (there are several legitimate ways to
    interpret this, resulting in dimensions from 10 miles
    up to 1400 miles square) is that the L+W+H= 12,000
    (3X=12K or X=4K. This means that each side is 4,000
    furlongs each making each side 450 miles long. Some
    say that it will be 1400 miles long, but if you look
    at a globe and imagine a city of that size sitting on
    the planet, it is doubtful the earth could physically
    support the weight. But a city of about 450 miles
    square should not detrimentally effect the structural
    integrity of the earth or its orbit, making it
    comparable to some of the largest mountain ranges on
    the earth (Tibetian), as the verse at the top of the
    post implies.

    So now if you look at the coast of Turkey and Israel
    and Egypt you will see that it is in the shape,
    roughly, of a square. And that square measures about
    450 miles on each side. This IS where the city was
    originally and is literally the exact CENTER of the
    earth geologically and would possibly make the Med sea
    THE ABYSS (Rev 9) for the City was placed OVER the
    Abyss to keep it locked up (see "The Bible Code" by
    Northrop Frye and also "Kourion" by Jamiason and my
    post "The Valley of the Shadow of Death").

    In other places I mentioned that Enoch built the great
    pyramid and modeled it after the City (verified by
    Josephus etc - compare with Mt 7:24-29), itself in the
    form of a pyramid making it look like a mountain from
    a distance (thus all the references to the Mt of the
    Lord's Holiness and Mt of the Lords House). A pyramid
    "lies four-square" and is certainly more asethically
    pleasing to the eye then a cube would be.

    Some believe that the pyramid is the "altar in the
    land of Egypt" of Isaiah 19. It is interesting that
    this pyramid can be seen from Space! Not only that,
    according to ancient accounts, the pyramid was
    originally covered with white limestone that shone in
    the sun and that at certain times, when the sun was
    directly overhead (equinox), it would send a ray of
    light shooting skyward into outer space. The pyramid
    is a marker for the New Jerusalem that will, like a
    beacon, guide it back to the original spot on this
    earth where it was originally! As well, it will act
    like a 'docking post' for the southern corner of the
    city. And, this explains how Mt. Sinai was considered
    the border of His sanctuary (Ps 7, because one of the
    corners of the city may extend out to the region of
    Mt. Sinai, and explains why that Mt. has always been
    considered a Holy Place.

    Hence, when the City touches down the Northern Side
    will literally set down on the southern coast of
    Turkey and thus "Smite the image" LITERALLY on the
    feet (West and East, Greece and Turkey) of the revived
    Roman Empire (Dan 2 - see my post on Daniel's last
    vision)! Its southern border will set down on the
    coast of Egypt thus cutting off "the tongue of the
    Egyptian Sea" or the Nile Delta, and it also destroys
    the source of the Nile's seven springs (Is 11). The
    eastern border of the city will set down on the coast
    of Palestine, butted right up against it, and thus all
    the land from the Golan to south of Jerusalem "shall
    be lifted up" and turned "into a plain" (Zech 14). It
    is at this time that God will provide "Rivers in the
    desert" or Negev for the Israelites returning to
    Israel at the Armegeddon campaign. And this is why the
    Old Jerusalem is literally going to be God's footstool
    (1Chr 28 and Is 60:13).

    With each side of the city 450 miles long, and being
    an equalateral pyramid, the Angel measured (Rev 21)
    down the length, and then he continued measuring down
    the width, and then he continued measuring the heigth,
    up the edge of the pyramid and thus NOT straight up in
    the air. The actual heigth of the pyramid straight up
    from the ground would be about 350 miles high, and
    this is important because this would place the Throne
    Room of Heaven in the outer limits of the Atmosphere,
    specifically in the Ionosphere (or as one person
    coined "The Zionosphere" - little did he realize how
    correct he really was).

    It is the Ionosphere where charged particles exit and
    enter our atmosphere, exactly how the Angels and
    glorified Saints will exit and enter our atmosphere.
    And this explains Rev 20:11 which has confused some
    people into assuming that the earth and heaven will be
    destroyed after the Mill, "And I saw a great white
    throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the
    earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no
    place for them [the devils and his angels, not the
    heaven and the earth - compare with Dan 2:35]". When
    judgement day arrives, people will be 'caught up' into
    the throne room of heaven and in the process it will
    appear that, LITERALLY, the heaven (atmosphere) and
    earth fled away.

    This also explains Rev 14:11 where the "smoke of their
    torment ascends forever and ever" before the Throne of
    God ("the presense of the Lamb"). If we consider that
    the Throne Room is basically in the outer parts of the
    atmosphere, then the Sun would literally be before the
    throne "forever and ever" and thus the Sun IS the Lake
    of Fire! And finally, the Neo Premillers believe,
    erroneously, that the NJ will be floating above the
    earth for the Mill, and that after God has destroyed
    the earth and heaven and then recreated it, that then
    the NJ sits down on the New Earth (This is actually a
    Gnostic Holdover - see my post The History of the
    Mystery of Iniquity"). But the NJ will not have to be
    floating above the earth because it will be TOWERING
    above the earth above "the tops of the mountains" (Is
    2:2). And all of this would mean that the Land of
    Israel was, and will be again, the Original Garden of
    the City of Eden (Joel 2:3 and Is 51:3).

    It is the city itself that provids shelter from the
    storm at the end of the trib (Is 4) for Israel and
    into the Mill, during those early years when the earth
    is recovering from the effects of nuclear war etc,
    that occured then. "When the Lord shall have washed
    away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall
    have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst
    thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit
    of burning. And Yehovah will create upon every
    dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies,
    a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming
    fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a
    defence. And there shall be a Tabernacle for a shadow
    in the daytime from the heat, and for a place of
    refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain."
    For more on this see my editorial My Holy Hill of

    So, now you know why Faith Looks for a City...

    [ April 10, 2004, 12:29 PM: Message edited by: David Hill ]
  2. Dr. Bob

    Dr. Bob Administrator

    Jun 30, 2000
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    Brother - Might want to give "bite size" pieces rather than backing up the truck and dumping the whole load. Not really a "sermon" forum.

    Not many will read a long post like this.
  3. Gershom

    Gershom New Member

    Apr 2, 2004
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    Maybe the BB can open a new forum just for sermons. [​IMG]
  4. David Hill

    David Hill New Member

    Mar 30, 2004
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    Thought I saw several sermon size posts on other threads.

    But if they don't want to read it, thats their choice. That's why I put it on a separate thread.
  5. pinoybaptist

    pinoybaptist Active Member
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    Mar 17, 2002
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    True, true, and Dr. Bob and others have been saying what that for as long as I can remember.

    But, you know how it is, when you got something to say, you just gotta say it, long or short.

    Just keep postin'.
  6. GODzThunder

    GODzThunder New Member

    Jul 1, 2003
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    Upon reading some of that post (I will admit that due to its length I did not read the end) I have to say that you have been watching a little too much perry stone there. Oh these so called prophecy experts today, wanting to create a name for themselves they take every little event and try to tie it to the Bible as a proof of prophecy. Some even go as far as stretching truth or even lying about jewish history or Bible just to make a message.
  7. jshurley04

    jshurley04 New Member

    Feb 29, 2004
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    As with all posts that long, I didn't bother to read more than the beginning and then scan for word of interest. The one that interested me was the idea that a great number of geological events will occur when the New Jerusalem begins to orbit our sun? Where does this come from?

    Is God not God enough to think these events into existance rather than have some silly orbiting space city? If it is orbiting our sun, Why? Would not God just send it at one time like He has everything else? Parts of this post might qualify for the black helicopter forum that I have proposed that we start.
  8. David Hill

    David Hill New Member

    Mar 30, 2004
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    You go right ahead and start a post on black helicopters. Make sure you ask alex jones to make a guest appearance.

    "The same judgment you judge others with you are guilty of yourself."

    1)I don't know who perry stone is, but, obviously you do. So, obviously you have been paying him much too much attention instead of reading the Word.

    2)I am not trying to make a name for myself, simply interpret the Word of God however, it is obvious that you are trying to make a name for yourself.

    3) I do not distort history - Jewish or Gentile but, obviously, you do.

    "The one that interested me was the idea that a great number of geological events will occur when the New Jerusalem begins to orbit our sun? Where does this come from?" Try reading the Bible for once - both of you. I provided the references but, unlike the Noble (Jewish) Bereans all you two do is flick the channel.

    In Revelation 6 is says:

    "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, FALL ON US, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on THE THRONE, and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

    Are you two bright boys blind as well as deaf? Here we have the kings of the earth WHO HAVE SEEN THE THRONE OF HEAVEN, and they call for the GEOLOGICAL ROCKS TO FALL ON THEM.


    But, that's ok. I don't imagine, with your maturity and judgmental attitudes, that you will be going anywhere at the Rapture, and, if you live long enough, you will see it will your own blind eyes...

    I thought this was a Baptist Board. If this is the condition of the pew warmers in Baptist Churchs now, I guess I will go non-denom.
  9. jshurley04

    jshurley04 New Member

    Feb 29, 2004
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    Say what you want, but I still do not understand where in the world you are coming up with an orbiting space city? I read also in this post about the Great Pyramid being a homing beacon of some kind? What in the world are you talking about with these comments and what do they have to do with an all powerful God that can simply think the world into existance or say to the beast at the end of the tribulation, Your Dead, and it will all be over?