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The preserved Word.

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by puros_bran, Jan 15, 2009.

  1. puros_bran

    puros_bran New Member

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    Is it prideful for someone who speaks english to assume that God preserved His Word in english instead of Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic or even Latin?
     
  2. EdSutton

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    Ah- noticed that, did ya'?

    Ed
     
  3. webdog

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    Yes.......
     
  4. Amy.G

    Amy.G New Member

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    I don't recall anyone saying that God preserved His word in English only.
     
  5. preachinjesus

    preachinjesus Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if I would say it is prideful. Maybe it is exceedingly historically and theologically myopic. Then I would turn to add that it is fairly arrogant to suggest that English is the primary language in which God has communicated.

    The whole argument falls apart once you take it to another country.
     
  6. ktn4eg

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    Si, senor....
     
  7. EdSutton

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    Perhaps none on this thread, and those exact, specific words may not have been said, but it has been said, in essence, is not directly, on this Board.

    I have seen it suggested that the KJV should be translated into other languages, in order to present the Word of God to those who speak these other languages, or that one should check a translation, in another language, against the KJV, as well. It has also been suggested that one of another language should first learn to speak English, in order to be able to understand the Word of God, and Rippon has mentioned his own personal encounters with both Korean and Filipino KJVO.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1339243&postcount=6

    This is a position effectually consistent with that of Dr. Peter S. Ruckman and that Dr. Gail A. Riplinger, as well, I believe. (A school really should be careful about the awarding and conferring of doctorates, don't you think?) :rolleyes:

    Here is a direct quote taken from a post of a BB member, who has apparently been fairly inactive, for several years, unless he has more than one BB identity, and has managed to "slip through the cracks".
    Too bad he hasn't been able to afford a Webster's Dictionary, as well. :rolleyes:

    These two links are to two posts on the subject, from those I would almost consider "drive-by" posters.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1034869&postcount=37

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=58831&postcount=208

    And let us not forget the ever popular sanderson1769, aka our beloved BB "spamderson", who believes the KJV is equal to, if not actually, the Lord Jesus Christ.

    So yes, I would offer that some have said this, just not on this thread. And I really suspect more than one may actually believe this, but are simply too smart to actually "get caught with their pants down" by saying this, and maybe then finding themselves receiving a little notice that says [​IMG]. The last sentence is just my personal opinion, however.

    Ed
     
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  8. Jim1999

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    Frankly, I am not so sure there is a preserved Bible. I obviously don't find any evidence in the Bible or Church Fathers documents.

    Our only claim is to the original manuscripts. By faith and study I have enough confidence in the copies we have available regardless of version.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  9. Keith M

    Keith M New Member

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    Yes. It's prideful to assume God preserved His word in English instead of those languages. On the othere hand, it isn't prideful at all to assume God preserved His word in English in addition to those languages. God preserved His written word (His message to us) in many languages, and He continues to do so. Some languages are blessed with more than one Bible translation while others aren't.
     
  10. Salamander

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    And none of us have ever said it was ONLY preserved in English!

    Now for those who believe it is ONLY preserved in the receptor tongues: you'd better get busy educating the entire world in all three or they will never know what the word of God says!:tongue3:

    English is the language of the world's commerce, although in many,many differing dialects, it is still easily distinguished as to what is meant by the usage of English to communicate to each party for acceptable trade.

    Hmm, I wonder how that goes over with the MV crowd?:sleep:

    Chinese is the most spoke language by the most number of people today, but there are alot of other people who know English as a means of communicating apart from their native tongue.

    Hmm, I wonder how that .........:sleep:
     
  11. Jim1999

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    So, we give thanks to God and the Catholic churches (Roman and English) for preserving the word for us, including the King James Version.

    Sure wish they had preserved our theology as well!

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  12. Keith M

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    Not true, Salamander. How many KJVOs have said one of the KJVs is the ONLY valid word of God?

    Apparently you're confused again (or it is STILL?), Salamander? Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek are the original languages of Scripture. Receptor languages are those into which Scripure is translated. If God intended to preserve only specific words as KJVOs claim, then we all need to learn the original languages and forget English, Spanish, Italian, Chinese or whatever.

    And what does the commonality of English have to do with the KJVO position, Salamander? Here's a hint for you: nada, nil, nothing, zip, zilch, zero...
     
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  13. Rippon

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    Sal,your icon looks like a KJV which has been x'ed out.The first time I saw it I thought :"WOW! And all this time I believed he loved the KJVs!"
     
  14. EdSutton

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    Heh! Heh! Heh! ;)

    Ed
     
  15. Keith M

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    I think the red "X" in Sal's icon is supposed to be a pair of crossed swords indicating how divisive the KJVO position really is. The reference in the icon is to 2 Timothy 2:15, but this verse teaches us to strive to show ourselves approved. A sword isn't mentioned in the verse.
     
  16. robycop3

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    Salamander:And none of us have ever said it was ONLY preserved in English!

    Well, then, what other English versions do you recommend?
     
  17. Dr. Bob

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    Anyone expecting an intelligent answer? :laugh:

    There is a mentality of RACISM in the kjvonly sect akin to the British Israelism cult or Herbert W Armstrong of a generation back.
     
  18. Trotter

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    Well put, Dr. Bob, and very true.
     
  19. Rippon

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    Come to think of it -- I don't believe there are any black KJVO people.There are KJVP -- but not KJVO.
     
  20. Dale-c

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    I had not thought about this much but I think you are right.

    It is not so much a color racism as it is a language and cultural racism.
     
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