Featured The quickening

Talk about going round the bend. Now the advocates of the nameless doctrine say there is no need for preaching, unless a person accepts the bogus doctrine of "initial quickening". OTOH, scripture says the gospel is the power of God for salvation. When a person hears and understands, they are drawn to Christ. Therefore, scripture teaches we are to present the gospel to the whole world.

 

Since it is a fiction not found in scripture, the advocates debate the concept without any reference to scripture.

 

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I look at it differently. The gospel is first brought to the outer ear and there the process of worldly sorrow begins to occur due to the natural convicting power of the Word. However, when it is God's time to quicken us, he takes the word that has already been delivered, already has begun its process of condemnation and then quickens us.

Significantly, worldly sorrow causes conviction unto self-condemnation and death. However godly sorrow worketh salvation in that quickening is unto justification. So the Word begins a process of painful conviction that condemns and can turn into depression, but godly sorrow (repentance unto faith) turns the direction upward from the downward spiral toward depression and death to justification and hope.

These testimonies of six months or even years of miserable conviction I believe is worldly sorrow taking its natural course in it downward spiral. Qucikening changes the direction upward immediately through faith in the "good" news and "hope" found in the gospel

 

All sinners can hear, but unless they are quicken by the Spirit, it falls upon deaf ears!

 

Yet another denial of scripture. Matthew 13 teaches that 3 of the four soils can hear and respond, but one soil cannot understand. The "quicken by the Spirit" is used because it has a double meaning. When we are made alive, when God puts us in Christ spiritually, we are made alive (quickened) by the Spirit. But that is not what the advocate of false theology means, no the "secret" meaning, never found in scripture, is that unless a sinner is altered by "irresistible grace" they cannot seek God or trust in Christ.
But that whole hidden meaning is false, and no where to be found in scripture. So they use doublespeak.

 

Both Jesus and paul spoke to this, and they agreed with me and not you, were they both wrong?

 

With respect, I think the urgent searching of the awakened soul cannot really be described as 'worldly sorrow.'

 

Both Jesus and Paul agree with my view, and they were not wrong. Notice the absence of any reference to scripture to support this claimed agreement with falsehood?

In Matthew 13,Jesus teaches that 3 of the four soils can hear and respond, but one soil cannot understand. The "quicken by the Spirit" is used because it has a double meaning. When we are made alive, when God puts us in Christ spiritually, we are made alive (quickened) by the Spirit. But that is not what the advocate of false theology means, no the "secret" meaning, never found in scripture, is that unless a sinner is altered by "irresistible grace" they cannot seek God or trust in Christ.
But that whole hidden meaning is false, and no where to be found in scripture. So they use doublespeak.

 

A disturbed soul is a soul under conviction. A quickened soul is spiritually alive in Christ but outside of Christ there is no spiritual life at all. The new birth is the spirit of man being united with the Spirit of God. I guess we will have to respectfully agree to disagree.

 

Jesus stated that ONLY those whom the father draw unto Him will get saved, and that ONLY those whom the Spirit enables to receive Him shall!

 

I think the "Conviction" matches your opening post, rather than quickening, which means something else entirely.

BTW, I looked over Ephesians 2 and found no support for your premise. The chapter teaches us that we started out not in Christ, separate from Christ, in darkness as the rest of mankind. But, through faith, made us alive together with Christ. So the chapter is dealing with what happens after we put our faith in Christ, and your premise deals with our conviction Christ is our God and our Savior.

NET Bible Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for, being convinced of what we do not see.

 

Yet another false claim, scripture never, never, ever says "only those the Spirit enables to receive Him shall get saved." In fact ;the opposite is taught, we all start out with the ability to receive and accept the gospel, but then some of us are hardened (1 soil of Matthew 13 and those God hardens, Romans 11). In Matthew 13, Jesus teaches in parables so that people will not understand and get saved. In Romans 11 God hardens the hearts of unbelieving Jews, which would not be needed if they had no innate ability to hear and learn from the gospel.

 

the unsaved sinner cannot receive the Gospel, nor any other spiritual thing apart from the person of the Holy Spirit enabling him to do such, as per Paul!

 

Yet another false claim, with no scripture to support it. Matthew 13 teaches of 3 types of people (soils 2, 3 and 4) that can receive the gospel. A lost person cannot receive spiritual meat, because indwelling is required to understand spiritual meat, but can receive spiritual milk, the fundamentals of the gospel, 1 Corinthians 2:14-3:3. That is why Paul spoke to those no ready for spiritual meat using spiritual milk, as he would to men of flesh (unsaved.)

 

Yes, being convicted that we were wretched sinners always precedes salvation (God crediting our faith as righteousness and transferring us out of the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His Son. While the gospel is the power of God for salvation, all scripture can be used to convict us. That is why scripture says the Law acts as a guide to lead us to Christ. And we cannot leave out the role of the Holy Spirit in our conviction. But no where in scripture to we find that the Holy Spirit compels pre-selected individuals to believe, that view is a fiction.

As far as our individual ability, Matthew 13 teaches that some people, the first soil, no longer have the ability to understand the gospel, but OTOH teaches that all the rest do have that ability. But without the message (such as the Spirit inspired gospel of Christ) no one would be convicted.


2 Timothy 3:15-17 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

 

Spiritual milk and meat , as defined by paul, ONLY refers to saved persons, as those still lost receive not any spiritual things of God!

 

You really do mot understand what is meant in those references!