The Reality of Nazi Influence in Ukraine

[asterisktom]

This article, along with the Oliver Stone documentary "Ukraine on Fire", provide really helpful background on understanding the Civil War of so-called democratic Ukraine. Like I wrote earlier, there really are no white hats in this conflict.

Under the Wolfsangel: The uncomfortable truth about radical ideologies in Ukraine

If it seems odd that this would be termed a "Civil war", not an invasion, that may be an indicator that you are getting all of your news from only one side.

 

[Revmitchell]

Ukraine is a bastion of corruption. That said there is no excuse by Russia. the primary reason Russia has moved into Ukraine is the potential joining of NATO. Putin is willing to slaughter people in the streets to stop it. No justification what so ever.

 

[Silverhair]

This article, along with the Oliver Stone documentary "Ukraine on Fire", provide really helpful background on understanding the Civil War of so-called democratic Ukraine. Like I wrote earlier, there really are no white hats in this conflict.

Under the Wolfsangel: The uncomfortable truth about radical ideologies in Ukraine

If it seems odd that this would be termed a "Civil war", not an invasion, that may be an indicator that you are getting all of your news from only one side.

So by the logic that you are showing here, if one country invades another country, the country being invaded is in the wrong? Putin may not like what Ukraine does or if they join NATO but he has no right to invade it so as to impose his wishes on it.

 

[asterisktom]

So by the logic that you are showing here, if one country invades another country, the country being invaded is in the wrong? Putin may not like what Ukraine does or if they join NATO but he has no right to invade it so as to impose his wishes on it.

You miss my point entirely.

 

[Van]

Looks like I am getting all my info from one side.

Russia invaded Ukraine, rather than Ukraine invaded Russia.

Russia is shelling apartments, hospitals, non-combatants.

 

[canadyjd]

This article, along with the Oliver Stone documentary "Ukraine on Fire", provide really helpful background on understanding the Civil War of so-called democratic Ukraine. Like I wrote earlier, there really are no white hats in this conflict.

Under the Wolfsangel: The uncomfortable truth about radical ideologies in Ukraine

If it seems odd that this would be termed a "Civil war", not an invasion, that may be an indicator that you are getting all of your news from only one side.

That you continually push Russian propaganda may be an indication you are getting all your news from one side…. except…..

….you are much too smart for that, so you must be intentionally ignoring the horror of Russian aggression and the murder of women and children to push Russian propaganda.

If the best you can do is argue is “Putin is evil but so is the other guy”, while the slaughter of women and children continue, you, like Putin, are on shifting sand.

peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

You miss my point entirely.

What was the point you were trying to make? That both sides are responsible for this war. Sorry Ukraine DID NOT invade Russia. Russia has no right to tell another country what they can or can not do.

Do you not see that as the basic wrong in this situation? I may not like that my neighbor plays his "music" to loud but that does not give the right to enter his house and destroy his system.

 

[asterisktom]

Looks like I am getting all my info from one side.

Russia invaded Ukraine, rather than Ukraine invaded Russia.

Russia is shelling apartments, hospitals, non-combatants.

Yes, if that is all you have to say you are getting it from one side. What you write is true. But ...

Ukraine has been shelling apartments, hospitals, and non-combatants in Donetsk for 8 years. I have seen shell damage in Donetsk with my own eyes and have heard stories from residents. We were warned, when going out in hikes in nature, to stay on the road and paths because there was still unexploded ordinance from Ukrainian forces from the West.

Yes, Putin is devious and evil. So is Zelensky.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

From a non-Kremlin source

 

[asterisktom]

Looks like I am getting all my info from one side.

Russia invaded Ukraine, rather than Ukraine invaded Russia.

Russia is shelling apartments, hospitals, non-combatants.

This documentary further proves the atrocities that the government in Kiev has been inflicting on the Eastern regions, for years. Children having to live for months in basements for fear of the constant shelling from invading eastern Ukrainian forces. They were purposefully targeting schools and hospitals, not just military targets.

Yes, this is first of all a Civil War, east vs. west.

BTW, this is from a French journalist, not Russia.

 

[canadyjd]

From a non-Kremlin source

Very interesting, unbiased interview. Some takeaways….

The Ukrainians that support this “fat right” movement is small. They received about 1.6% of votes in the last election.

Within the movement itself, there is a variety of views from extreme nationalistic tendencies on the one end to some who belief Hitler was a pagan god on the other.

They are active in the military. They believe their way of life is being corrupted by liberal ideology and foreign immigration and they do believe a white supremacy in the world, and restoration of western culture.

Thanks for the info

peace to you

 

[Squire Robertsson]

My take on the situation is this. Moscow sees all Ukrainian nationalists as Nazis. If you reject Moscow domination, you are a Nazi.

 

[asterisktom]

From a non-Kremlin source

Thank you for sharing this. Pretty informative. I like the format used here - discussion that is mostly on topic.

But I do not think it goes far enough. It treats the neo-Nazis more as an ideology, but not so much of their inroads into the Ukrainian political structure. Nor do they bring up the ongoing activities of the neo-Nazis, like Stone does in his documentary. One person who was conspicuously absent in the video was Stepan Bandera, a terrorist who was at first useful to the Nazis and afterward protected by the CIA. He was behind many of the extremist massacres in Ukraine in the 50s.

"His organization perpetrated many crimes, including hundreds of thousands of murders, counterfeiting, and kidnapping."

And though he died in the 50s - murdered in Germany - his ideology very much lived on in Ukrainian politics and ideology. Ukrainian president Viktor Yushchenko, a man I believed earlier was such a hero, even gave that murdering neo-Nazi the title of Hero of Ukraine. When we were in various cities in Ukraine we had seen streets named after him.

So, yes, I think the influence of neo-naziism is greater than the interview in the video shows.

I watched your video very carefully. I hope you will give the ones I offer some attention.

 

[asterisktom]

My take on the situation is this. Moscow sees all Ukrainian nationalists as Nazis. If you reject Moscow domination, you are a Nazi.

Disappointing.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

What's disappointing? I'm not denying the existence of Nazi influence in the Ukrainian far-right. I am simply not using the Kremlin's definition of who is a Nazi in Ukraine.

Disappointing.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

If it seems odd that this would be termed a "Civil war", not an invasion, that may be an indicator that you are getting all of your news from only one side.

It doesn't seem odd at all once one realises that the article is from Russia Today.

 

[asterisktom]

What's disappointing? I'm not denying the existence of Nazi influence in the Ukrainian far-right. I am simply not using the Kremlin's definition of who is a Nazi in Ukraine.

And I am using the using the Kremlin's definition?? I brought plenty of non-Kremlin history and current event sources.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

I believe your source is RT or Russia Today. According to its wiki article:

RT has regularly been described as a major propaganda outlet for the Russian government and its foreign policy.[2] Academics, fact-checkers, and news reporters (including some current and former RT reporters) have identified RT as a purveyor of disinformation[59] and conspiracy theories.[65] UK media regulator Ofcom has repeatedly found RT to have breached its rules on impartiality, including multiple instances in which RT broadcast "materially misleading" content.[72]​

This article, along with the Oliver Stone documentary "Ukraine on Fire", provides really helpful background on understanding the Civil War of so-called democratic Ukraine. Like I wrote earlier, there really are no white hats in this conflict.

Under the Wolfsangel: The uncomfortable truth about radical ideologies in Ukraine

If it seems odd that this would be termed a "Civil war", not an invasion, that may be an indicator that you are getting all of your news from only one side.

 

[asterisktom]

It doesn't seem odd at all once one realises that the article is from Russia Today.

You are fixating on one link I shared, ignoring the rest.

The French video I shared shows it is clearly a Civil War.
The Olive Stone video shows it is clearly a Civil War.
People I have spoken with in my months in Ukraine spoke of it as Civil War.

But, yes, go ahead and stare at that RT logo.

 

[asterisktom]

I believe your source is RT or Russia Today. According to its wiki article:

RT has regularly been described as a major propaganda outlet for the Russian government and its foreign policy.[2] Academics, fact-checkers, and news reporters (including some current and former RT reporters) have identified RT as a purveyor of disinformation[59] and conspiracy theories.[65] UK media regulator Ofcom has repeatedly found RT to have breached its rules on impartiality, including multiple instances in which RT broadcast "materially misleading" content.[72]​

Et Tu?

I never said they were impartial. We come to a better understanding of complicated events when we play compare differing sources, bias against bias.

Those items you quoted above, do they not also concern, say, Fox News? If they slant the news to further American agendas is that not also misleading? As Christians we are called to rise above mere nationalism.