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No; not our - Bob's or my - or your 'application' or 'interpretation' matters. It's the Bible that limits God's 'application' of the ONLY 'Sabbath-Law' in it to the one only "day"-of the week, "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD" that matters.

Also, IT IS UNTRUE AND INCORRECT AND FALSE THAT God <<applies ... the Sabbath>> or, <<the PRINCIPLE of the Sabbath Law>> which "God THUS CONCERNING THE SEVENTH DAY spake", <<to various days of the week>>! RUBBISH you suck from your thumb! Stop doing it!

Only the 'rest-day' of the passover's first day of unleavened bread feast and the first and last days of the feast of booths are per translation called "rest-day" ---in the Hebrew, "sabbath" merely; NOT "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath-OF-THE-LORD-GOD" or "MY Sabbath /s" or "My Holy Day"!

All other “rests” were “years-of-rest”, not ‘days-of-rest’.

… which exhausts all <<various longer periods of time>> limited with the description of ‘shabbath’, “rest” or “rests”. Don’t pretend the <periods> are so many <various> they could be any number. It is not so!

 

Notice I present hard evidence while you and bob present emotions and accusations!

 

And with this statement your whole theory comes crashing down! Why? Because you could not say and did not say "the Gen. 2:3 text DOES specify the SEVENTH day "OF THE WEEK." Case closed! YOu prove my point. The PRINCIPLE of the Sabbath is six days and the seventh day is the Sabbath. No calendar placement where this principle begins or ends. The APPLICATION does apply this to the week. However, APPLICATION does apply this to various days of the week as well (Lev. 23). So application is CHANGABLE and Leviticus application of Sabbath law proves this. Hence, first day of the week application is not contrary to the PRINCIPLE of this law any more than FIXED DATED Sabbaths that fall on various days of the week are contrary to the PRINCIPLE of this law. - Case closed.

 

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Gen. 2:3

God rested from work, on the seventh day. The day following six days of work.
God created this day by not working.

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim holy convocations, these my feasts.

God gave his feast days and the first was just as in Gen 2:3 the seventh day which followed the six days he worked. From Gen. 1:5 the same seventh day from that time on forever will be the Sabbath of the Lord. On it, "ye shall do no work," because it is, "the sabbath of rest."

The unbroken day of rest from Genesis 1:5 is a feast day a holy convocation, no work to be done.

God then gives seven more days throughout God's year that are days no servile work to be done, feast days, holy convocations.

It also appears that the day of atonement is a little different from the others in that on it as on the seventh day follow the six days no work is to be done. The word servile is left out. I do not know the difference, but this day is also called a sabbath.

These days can fall on any of the so called, days of the week, or that is from sabbath, the seventh day to sabbath, the seventh day.

JMHO

 

In Afrikaans we say, 'healthy brain' - 'gesonde verstand'!

 

Yes! And it continues to identify which day that first "Seventh Day" - in the Hebrew "the day The Seventh Day" - was: God blessed and sanctified it "BECAUSE IN IT GOD RESTED".

Did God rest on the First Day? ... "on the Seventh Day" ... but ...<<in principle on the First Day of the new series of Sabbath(s)>>?


Hahahahaha

Readers, please note WHY responses CAN be but DENIALS and RIDICULE!

 

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By contrast to you wild assertion absent all fact in the text - the Gen 2:3 text DOES specify the SEVENTH day.

The first "Seventh Day" was God's Day BEFORE God, commanded it to be a "Rest Day - Sabbath" for Israel.

Therefore, When Genesis 2 names "the day The Seventh Day" it's very creation ---by God, makes "the day The Seventh Day" the LAST day of God's, creating ACT and the DENOMINATOR of and for all SUBSEQUENT repetitions of THAT CREATION-incidence of seven consecutive days that FIRST, FORMED the "WEEK-of-seven-days" ---precisely how the LXX translated the Hebrew.

That is why the NEW Testament CHRISTIAN Greek literature made a new beginning and began to AGAIN use the ORIGINAL Hebrew name of "the day The Seventh Day", namely, the "Sabbath", to identify the seven days "OF THE WEEK".

So in the New Testament the exact, specific TRANSLATION into English of the word 'sabbath' IN CERTAIN CONTEXT, is: "(day of) the WEEK", and IN ANOTHER CONTEXT, "the SABBATH Day of the week"—after all the thousands of years STILL, "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath"!

That is what one might call the New Testament's <principle> and <application> of the word "sabbath" per se as well as of the <law of the Sabbath>.

No big deal!

Keep the Law out of the issue because in the New Testament there is no issue about it!

You CAN talk nonsense, Biblicist! You must change your pseudonym to something else, because you aren't a Biblicist's shadow!

 

It specifies "the seventh day" in its relationship to the six previous days. God is not giving proper names to each of these seven days but simply providing a numerical ORDER and the seventh day stands at the end of this order.

The PRINCIPLE of the Sabbath can be applied EQUALLY to a seventh MONTH or seventh YEAR or fiftieth YEAR as much as to FIXED DATED sabbaths whose NUMBERS do not fall on DATES consistent with the Seventh day "of the week" Sabbaths as "7th, 14th, 21st, 28th," but on DATES consistent with a first day "of the week" Sabbaths as "1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd" because these are MESSANIC feasts that anticipated the coming of Christ and his finished work on the first day of the week resurrection day.

So I reject your RATIONALIZATIONS that are in direct contradiction with God's own VARIOUS applications of the Sabbath PRINCIPLE. The principle of six working days followed and preceded by the seventh day Sabbath which God CAN and DID arbitrarily apply to FIXED DATED sabbaths, seventh day of the week Sabbath and first day of the week Sabbath.

 

Leviticus 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD’S passover.
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Here again in this Messanic Feast of unleavened bread we have a first day and a seventh day Sabbath together showing the compatibility between the Jewish application and the Christian application from the seventh day of the week to the first day of the week.


15 ¶ And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

The jews had two different methods of reckoning this. The Pharisees reckoned it by fixed dated Sabbaths instead of starting with the next regular Sabbath and thus seven regular Sabbats.

The Sadducees numbered by starting with the first regular weekly Sabbath and thus the 50th day would always be on the first day of the week and thus Pentecost was a Sunday Sabbath.

In the time of Christ it was the Sadducees who were in control and it was their way of numbering the Sabbaths that occurred in the New Testament. So Pentecost was a Sunday Sabbath that the Holy Spirit honored by His coming on the new house of God meeting for worship on that day as they did from the first resurrection Sabbath - Mk. 16:9

24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

The seventh month was also the first month in their new year and it was begun by a first day Sabbath.

27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
29 For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
30 And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
31 Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

Another clear application of the Sabbath law that did not fall upon the seventh day of the week but was a FIXED DATED Sabbath as neither the solar or Luner year was divisible by seven. Another proof that the Sabbath PRINICIPLE is broader than the restrictive interpretation of Saturdarians.

34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
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This feast begins on the 15th and last seven days. However, the first day is a a Sabbath and the final day is called the "eighth" day and it too is a Sabbath. Clear emphasis on the first day Sabbaths. Later Christians would also call the resurrection day the "eighth" day.

37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.

Verse 37 and verse 38 refer to the same events. The feasts in verse 37 do not mention its "sabbaths" or "gifts" and "vows" but they are mentioned in verse 38. Therefore the words "besides" means in addition to what is described of these feasts in verse 37 are these things in verse 38. More proof of this is that this statement is encapsulized still within the seventh month and its feasts as verse 39 demonstrates. So the phrase "beside your sabbaths" does not refer to the regular weekly "sabbath" SINGULAR but to all the PLURAL "Sabbaths" just spelled out in all the feasts.

These are all Messanic Feasts which emphasize the FIRST DAY Sabbaths and the first day "of the week" Sabbaths because the vast majority fall on FIXED DATES that do not correspond with the Seventh day "of the week" as in 7, 14,21,28 but correspond with the first day of the week as in 1,8,15,22, 50.
Again, the emphasis is on the first day Sabbath and the feast is "seven days" and the seventh day is called the "eighth" day and it too is a Sabbath

 

Walter Veith's 'field of interest' is remote of mine.

I introduced him to a few of my ideas and invited him to participate on internet forums in discussing them, but he declined.

My grand niece and her husband work full time for Dr Veith, but since my sister passed away, contact between us ended. My sister Eunice accepted in principle about the Sabbath being the day that Jesus rose from the grave on. 'It is a wonderful thought', she used to say. She encouraged me to write 'The Last Week'. She insisted I should say what I wanted to say as short as possible. 'The Last Week' is a synopsis of passover passages on Jesus' last passover, with a few appendixes, perhaps unnecessary. But I don't want any of my writing to be edited or improved or whatever. They are my fingerprints with shortcomings and mistakes and sinfulness the lot.

So, sorry, I did not even know Dr Veith published in Afrikaans.

 

Yes, <<it specifies "the seventh day" in its relationship to the six previous days.>> That is your, legitimate, <rationalization>.

But no, God nothing of the kind <<is not giving>> and nothing of the kind ‘is giving’, <<proper names to each of these seven days>>. The writer(s) of the book Genesis, did that ---very explicitly after every day’s events, that day is NAMED, “it was evening and it was morning, the First Day” or whichever name by Number!

Further down in the Scriptures every instance where the phrase “the seventh day” is seen AND the context does not make it impossible, the possibility that the last day in the <series> or <pattern> or <set> or “WEEK-of-days” mentioned in the creation saga in Genesis chapters 1 to 3 is meant and is mentioned BY NAME: “The Seventh Day” which is the seventh day OF THE WEEK ever and anon.

The creation saga <<simply is providing a numerical ORDER>> and just as <simply>, is employing the NAME of each day according to their – specific – position in that <numerical order>. Quite naturally – according to <numerical order>,The Seventh Day, <<stands at the end of this order>> or THIS, ‘week’.

You cannot wish to remove the concept and understanding of the reality of the ‘week’—creation-week—by giving it another NAME like you do, calling it <<this order>>. It remains the ‘order’ in and to ‘this week’—the one and only precedent for all ‘weeks’ forever after ---CONFIRMED APPOINTED AND PUT INTO USE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST JUST SO IN HIS OWN LIFE, SUFFERING, DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION … try as you may.

Alright, <<The PRINCIPLE of the Sabbath>> which simply is, ‘rest’, <<can be applied EQUALLY to a seventh MONTH or seventh YEAR or fiftieth YEAR as much as to FIXED DATED sabbaths>>. I see no problem with that. You could just as well have said <the principle> or ‘the day’ or the name of a day named a ‘sabbath’—which simply means ‘a rest’ in ANY case, can equally be applied as ‘a rest’ to a seventh month or a seventh year or a fiftieth year or certain dates of months whether they are described as ‘sabbaths’ or ‘rest-days’ or not, or are called by name ‘Sabbaths’ or ‘Rest-Days’ or not. No difference.

Saying <<NUMBERS do not fall on DATES consistent with the Seventh day "of the week" Sabbaths as "7th, 14th, 21st, 28th," but on DATES consistent with a first day "of the week" Sabbaths as "1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd">>, is a mess-up.

What is, <<NUMBERS>>? <<NUMBERS>> are meaningless things nowhere found in the Holy Scriptures. <<NUMBERS>>, <<do not fall on DATES>>; dates fall on days numbered in a month, “the fourteenth day of the First Month” is the date—fixed—for the sacrifice of the passover. No matter which day-of-the-week.

<<DATES consistent with the Seventh day "of the week" Sabbaths as "7th, 14th, 21st, 28th,">> is nonsensical rubbish; no, worse! <<DATES consistent with the Seventh day "of the week" Sabbaths as "7th, 14th, 21st, 28th,">> is untrue unreality. There exists nothing like it <in principle>; never existed; never could exist.

Unless a month might begin on a First Day of the week, the "7th, 14th, 21st, 28th" OF THAT, MONTH, will be on the day The Seventh Day Sabbath. But that is PURELY by coincidence; NEVER <in principle> or to <Sabbath law>.

Deception ---that’s what it is!

<<DATES consistent with a first day "of the week" Sabbaths as "1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd">> also is plain deceitfulness. Because, first, there is no thing as <<first day "of the week" Sabbaths>>; it’s a gross violation of God’s Truth. Next, <<DATES consistent with a first day "of the week" Sabbaths as "1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd">> also is plain deceitfulness because only when perchance a month might begin on a Second Day of the week, its—the MONTH’S—8th day, 15th day, 22nd day and 28th day will also be on ‘the First Day of the week’. [Note ‘the First Day of the week’ Singular and not ‘on first days [Plural] of the week’ because “on the First Day of the week” is the NAME of that day of the week.]

So scarcely a word or sentence you utter, is not plain meant to be confusing deception and deceiving confusion.

 

What utter NONSENSE!

To mention just one thing, Where's <<a seventh day Sabbath>>, <<in this Messanic Feast of unleavened bread>>?

There's no such thing.

And just so there is no nothing of your concocted up <<Christian application from the seventh day of the week to the first day of the week.>>

To waste my time on such rubbish!

 

<In the time of Christ> "GOD ... in THESE LAST DAYS ... BY THE SON ... SPAKE" as found written, in the New Testament Gospel of Jesus Christ.

No Sadducees had any say in the days and dates of the Passover of Yahweh ANYWHERE in the Scriptures. GOD was and still is <in control>.

Basta met jou Sadducees twak! <The Holy Spirit honoured> no Sadducees or <control> of theirs!

Where do you READ <<the first resurrection Sabbath - Mk. 16:9>>?!

You feel nothing for truth or purity; it's just your dishonouring the Holy Day of the Lord that counts for you, which you enjoy and revel in, in trampling it underfoot ---the Sabbath and Seventh Day God, by the Son concerning spoke. God’s speaking by his Son --- that is how much you care for it.

 

8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

The immediate context of Leviticus 23 treats "holy convocation" equal to a Sabbath day whenever it is qualified by the additional words "ye shall do no servile work therein"

Yes, it is best to give up fighting what you have not and cannot disprove by God's word. Your only refuge is ridicule as you have no Biblical refuge.

 

Can't you READ?!
Here is NO <<application of the Sabbath law>> Here is ONLY an 'application' of "The feast of tabernacles-" <law>.