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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Michael Wrenn, Feb 22, 2012.

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  1. David Lamb

    David Lamb Active Member

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    Praying for your mum/mom, Michael.
     
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  2. Michael Wrenn

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    If that took place, I would feel more out of place in a SBC church that held to those positions.

    Well, in the late eighties to mid-nineties I was a member of the Episcopal Church. My church membership now is in a small rural Baptist church, but I don't attend there -- am presently looking for something closer. Have been considering Baptist, Church of the Nazarene, or conservative Anglican. I just cannot seem to accept the Nazarane view of entire sanctification, even when defined in terms of love, as one of their professors and leading theologians has done. So, I'll most likely have to rule out the CotN.

    I started this about 8-9 years ago: http://www.celtic-anabaptist-ministries.com/index.html

    I've gotten some criticism here about that site. My views are basically a blend of Baptist/Anabaptist, and Celtic. I am mostly in the middle theologically, as I generally dislike extremes of the right or left. And one of my most cherished principles is freedom.

    Hope this helps.
     
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  3. Michael Wrenn

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    Thanks, my friend; that means a lot.
     
    #63 Michael Wrenn, Feb 23, 2012
  4. Luke2427

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    Thanks for sharing, Michael. I'll discuss this with you further at your convenience in the pm.

    Blessings to you and yours is my prayer!

    I hope things with your Mom go well!
     
    #64 Luke2427, Feb 23, 2012
  5. Michael Wrenn

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    Thanks; greatly appreciate the prayers!
     
    #65 Michael Wrenn, Feb 23, 2012
  6. glfredrick

    glfredrick New Member

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    Have you EVER been a member of an SBC congregation that held to the Doctrines of Grace? Just wondering by what means you ascertain that it would be such a horid experience, or that they might preach some gospel so far off the mainstream of the Bible that they are apostate or something akin?
     
    #66 glfredrick, Feb 23, 2012
  7. Michael Wrenn

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    The two SBC churches that I was a member of held to OSAS and total depravity, I believe. I don't know about the other "TULIP" doctrines.

    I wouldn't call Calvinism apostate, just terribly and tragically mistaken. But I can still take the primitive Baptists better than some mainstream Baptists because the former allow for those who never heard of Jesus to be saved.
     
    #67 Michael Wrenn, Feb 23, 2012
  8. glfredrick

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    So, you are actually searching for some form of universalism? Didn't I ask you about that before? Seems that I remember that you got all bent out of shape, and yet here you appear to reference that concept yet again.
     
    #68 glfredrick, Feb 23, 2012
  9. mandym

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    That is what it is to be sure.
     
    #69 mandym, Feb 23, 2012
  10. Michael Wrenn

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    No no, you don't have to be a universalist to believe that God made provision for those who never heard the Gospel.
     
    #70 Michael Wrenn, Feb 23, 2012
  11. Amy.G

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    So how did He do it?
     
    #71 Amy.G, Feb 23, 2012
  12. Michael Wrenn

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    Wrong again. I must say I have to admit that I admire the the ability to be so consistently wrong.

    Though there is a small strand of universlaism in the Primitive Baptists, for example -- the "no-hellers -- the vast majority are not universalists. And yet they believe that some who never heard the Gospel will be saved. Now I realize that's because of their hyper-Calvinism, but at least in that instance it does some good.
     
    #72 Michael Wrenn, Feb 23, 2012
  13. Michael Wrenn

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    Why don't you ask Him?

    The Primitive Baptists would give one answer, the Wesleyans another, the Quakers another, and the Catholics yet another.
     
    #73 Michael Wrenn, Feb 23, 2012
  14. Amy.G

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    I'm asking you since you made that statement that God saves people that haven't heard the gospel. Sorry, "made provision".
     
    #74 Amy.G, Feb 23, 2012
  15. Michael Wrenn

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    I prefer the Quaker, "Arminian", or "Catholic" views.

    I like what Romans Ch. 2 says.
     
    #75 Michael Wrenn, Feb 23, 2012
  16. Amy.G

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    What specifically? And I don't have a clue what Quakers believe, or how Arminian and Catholic views prove that God has provided for salvation outside of the gospel.
     
    #76 Amy.G, Feb 23, 2012
  17. mandym

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    If you like cat and mouse games then you may get to his point.
     
    #77 mandym, Feb 23, 2012
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    I'm curious; to what "arminian" view regarding "provision for those who've never heard the gospel" are you referring to?
     
    #78 Don, Feb 23, 2012
  19. glfredrick

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    I believe our brother has once again painted himself into a corner.

    Next will come the accusation that we are all horrid Calvinists and narrow-minded. If so, I agree... And, gladly.
     
    #79 glfredrick, Feb 23, 2012
  20. Amy.G

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    Apparently. :laugh:
     
    #80 Amy.G, Feb 23, 2012
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