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The Seriousness of NOT Standing Up Against the Attack on Our Constitution

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  1. Benjamin

    Benjamin Well-Known Member
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    This is no go-with-the-flow political game being played on Jan 6th! The truth of this matter is right before our eyes:




    Trump: “How can you certify an election when the numbers being certified are verifiably WRONG.”

    The answer IS you can’t!! This attack against our Constitution CAN NOT be allowed! It MUST NOT be allowed!! Shame on any coward who would submit to this injustice against our Constitution without a fight! If the Republican Party will not fight this to win, then We the People must!
     
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    Political leadership is the key. That is what is needed. Texas is providing some key political leadership. Get behind them. Get other political leaders to follow.

    You can't do it without the legitimate political legal support. Else you will just be a rebellion ready for them to squash. You need governors and senators of certain states who unify and ask for your support.

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    With the Democrat control of the House, Pelosi might be able to shut down the GOP.
     
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    The problem is the US Constitution puts the decision of certifying the election in the hands of Congress. If they do certify the certificates then Biden is the constitutionally elected President.

    The interesting thing will be to see just how many Republicans are really pro-Constitution in a couple of weeks. I suspect many just say they are while they have a constitutional argument but may be truly anti-American when the election is final, legal, and constitutional very shortly.

    That said, this is one think we can see was thought out. No matter what happens in choosing a president, no matter the arguments or the fraud....whoever is confirmed by Congress is the President for all Americans.
     
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    Yeah, some would gleefully argue that the Constitution puts the power of the government and thereby the People's election rights in the hands of Congress, and would be fine with that idea, would even roll over and tuck their tails, stick their heads in the sand and willingly submit to fraud ruling the day if Congress were to declare it, but I believe such a gutless response overlooks the true intent of the Constitution which is to empower We the People!

    Abraham Lincoln at the Gettysburg Address reminds us of who holds the true power in this country, "that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth” in an answer of determination against the Confederates attempt to defeat the Republic and I would argue that these words should not be so easily dismissed today!

    I would not bet on the current Congressional mindset that stealing We the People's TRUE choice will or should be tolerated without a fight nor would I bet on them winning that fight!
     
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    No argument needed. That is what the Constitution says.

    "The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;—The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other....."
     
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    The Constitution says more than that and is not being respected for its true intent to protect the will of the People but rather there is an attempt to abuse it. It’s not that difficult to understand, the Constitution has been violated and would further be violated if Congress should TRY to count disputed votes. The Constitution says that the states shall present the electoral according to the Legislators of each state – which We the People voted into office to represent US! – and this authority has clearly been violated. It is the Congress’ job to count legitimate electoral votes and that CAN NOT be done on Jan 6th due to MASS FRAUD, it is NOT Congress’ job to determine the President by their rules or by Governors, Secretary of States, or rouge courts attempting to override the state Legislators – THAT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL! The Constitution does NOT give the Congress the right to deny the will of and to ignore the voice of We the People through their interpretations working to empower themselves over US!

    THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE IS BEING DENIED! THE EVIDENCE AGAINST FRAUD MUST BE HEARD! And it WILL BE HEARD because We the People are not ruled by dictators in the Congress who are under the delusion that their authority “trumps” the will of We the People! – How fitting that WE have a “TRUMP” CARD~! – a President in power that RESPECTS and FIGHTS for the will of We the People!

    Now, the Pennsylvania Senate representing the Legislature, who represents We the People has asked to delay the Certification of the Electoral College because the “balance of power” was unconstitutionally taken away from the State Legislature. This has happened in multiple states and that abuse WILL NOT STAND!

    It seems a joke that Congress, the Left and others who would support their unconscionable tactics believe they do not have to answer to We the People and simply can do as they wish. The Constitution says otherwise and more importantly those who the Constitution was written for will NOT tolerate our rights being trampled by a bunch of government bureaucrats seeking power over We the People!

    If extreme measures are needed to defend this attack against our, We the People's Constitution I pray they are taken that the seriousness of the situation our Country faces is not ignored and will not be overlooked.
     
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    The Constitution does say more than that.

    But regarding electing a US President, if the certificates are affirmed then Biden will be the constitutionally and legally elected President.

    You can disagree with the electoral process and you can disagree with the Constitution placing so much power in the House and Senate. But your disagreement does not change the Constitution.

    The founding fathers were considering just letting Congress choose a President (that being the People's vote...they chose their representatives). What we have is a compromise, but it is the US Constitution.

    It does not bother me that people want to move from the Constitution when it suits them. I think this is inevitable. But you should not say "we the people" in one breath and "trash the US Constitution" in the other.

    While the GOP is corrupt, it is not more corrupt than the DNC. And at least the GOP platform is not the sins of Romans. But in the end no matter which party takes power they did so dishonestly.
     
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    JC, are you maintaining that, regardless of whether the Constitution was followed to get there, electors appointed by a state must have been so legally? That sounds rather “selective.” The clause “in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct” is as imperative as the rest. Failing it is unconstitutional and renders anything afterward the same, unless and until corrected.

    Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.​
     
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    No. I am saying that regardless of what occurs in the state Biden will be a constitutionally elected (and legal) President.

    It is up to the Supreme Court to determine if the States violated the Constitution (they could say that the state legislatures had a chance to step in but didn't, therefore it could be considered approval....the Constitution does not limit or say how the Legislature may direct, only that this is where that power resides).

    That said, we are talking two things here. You are saying that the electors were chosen by some states in an unconstitutional manner. I agree (IF the state legislators objected). BUT I am talking about the election of a President, which is determined not by the people, not even by the states, but by Congress.
     
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    Jon, ever the idealist! :Wink:Laugh
     
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    :Biggrin
     
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    :Laugh But you said that Biden wouldn't be President...and that Dems wouldn't flip Congress. :Roflmao
     
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    I pray she will.
     
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    Just want a socialist state like Cuba or old USSR, eh?
     
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    At the end of the day these government officials are not in charge, they govern at the consent of the People, we are revoking that consent. They have become the enemy of the People! This fight has only just begun!

    The curtain will be pulled back and this will expose the weak-kneed Republicans that did NOTHING to STOP THE STEAL!

    You get to pick a side. You don’t want to play, then go ahead and take your ball and go on home! Go in your corner like you are told! Be cancelled!

    The Dems think and believe we are like them, they merely think they will see some people scream and whine and cry like they do, BUT they are about to the resistance that comes from Patriots that are going to fight for their country!

    We don’t sit around waiting for politicians to act or judges to act – We the People are in charge; we are still a Constitutional Republic and we will take our rights back!

    Does anyone in their right mind really believe that Joe Biden won this election?! The guy couldn’t fill up a classroom.

    These lies, this cheating and this theft WILL NOT STAND. History will be made!
     
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    Let's see what you've been wrong about so far...
    - Biden will lose the election
    - Biden's election will not be certified in December
    - Biden won't make it to the White House
    - Republicans will maintain control of the Senate

    Yeah, considering your record, looks like this will in fact stand. But history was made!! :Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao
     
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    History is just starting to be written. Better go find yourself a safe room and a puppy because you going to need it!!
     
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    Let's see what you've been wrong about so far...
    - Biden will lose the election
    - Biden's election will not be certified in December
    - Biden won't make it to the White House
    - Republicans will maintain control of the Senate

    Yeah, considering your record, looks like I'll be perfectly fine!! Time to get fireworks and party here in Georgia. :Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao
     
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    Answer: By having lying, cheating, thieving hypocrites along with cowards in the Congress.

    It is in God's hands and I will continue to pray for truth and justice to prevail and this country to be blessed.
     
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