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The Significance of 144,000

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    Never mind, I found it but thanks for the recommendation... Brother Glen:Thumbsup
     
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    Thanks... Brother Glen
    If you do a search on google for Waldensian treatise on Antchrist, you should find it.
     
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    Revelation 11: The Two Witnesses - Part 11

    [N.B. I thought it necessary to add more witnesses to the catalogue since there is a dispute on this board as to who is telling the truth.]

    THE TESTIMONY OF THE REFORMATION CREEDS UNANIMOUS:
    THE POPE IS THE MAN OF SIN, ANTICHRIST​

    THE SECOND HELVETIC CONFESSION, 1566
    "The Church can have no other head than Christ. He is the one universal pastor of his flock, and has promised his presence to the end of the world. He needs, therefore, no vicar; for this would imply his absence. We reject the Romish fiction concerning an official head and title of the servant of the servants of Christ; for experience proves that this is an empty boast, and that the Pope makes himself an enemy of Christ, and exalts himself above God, sitting in the temple of God, and showing himself that he is God.

    “But rejecting the Roman head we do not introduce disorder and confusion into the Church of Christ, since we adhere to the government delivered by the Apostles before there was any pope. The Roman head preserves the tyranny and corruption in the Church, and opposes all just reformation."

    THE FRENCH CONFESSION OF FAITH, 1559
    "Therefore we condemn the papal assemblies, as the pure Word of God is banished from them, their sacraments are corrupted, or falsified, or destroyed, and all superstitions and idolatries are in them. We hold, then, that all who take part in these acts, and commune in that Church, separate and cut themselves off from the body of Christ."

    THE SECOND SCOTCH CONFESSION OF FAITH, 1580
    "We abhor and detest all contrary Religion and Doctrine; but chiefly all kind of Papistry in general and particular heads, even as they are now damned and confuted by the word of God and church of Scotland. But in special, we detest and refuse the usurped authority of that Roman Antichrist upon the scriptures of God, upon the Church, the civil Magistrate, and consciences of men: All his tyrannical laws made upon indifferent things against our Christian liberty: His erroneous doctrine against the sufficiency of the written word, the perfection of the law, the office of Christ, and his blessed Evangel.

    "His corrupted doctrine concerning original sin, our natural inability and rebellion to God's Law, our justification by faith only, our unperfect sanctification and obedience to the law; the nature, number and use of the holy sacraments: His five bastard sacraments; with all his rites, ceremonies, and false doctrine, added to the ministration of the true sacraments without the Word of God.

    "His cruel judgment against infants departing without the sacrament: his absolute necessity of baptism: His blasphemous opinion of transubstantiation, or real presence of Christ's body in the elements, and receiving of the same by the wicked, or bodies of men: His dispensations, perjuries, and degrees of marriage forbidden in the Word:.....His blasphemous priesthood: His profane sacrifice for the sins of the quick and the dead: His canonization for men, calling upon angels or saints departed; worshiping of images, relics and crosses...vows to creatures: His purgatory, prayers for the dead...His multitudes of advocates or mediators with his many orders and auricular confessions...His justification by works, works of supererogation, merits, pardons and stations: His holy water, baptizing of bells, conjuring of spirits, anointing...His three solemn vows...His erroneous and bloody decrees made at Trent....."

    THE IRISH ARTICLES OF RELIGION, 1615
    "The power which the Bishop of Rome now challengeth to be supreme head of the universal Church of Christ, and to be above all emperors, kings and princes, is a usurped power, contrary to the Scriptures and Word of God, and contrary to the example of the Primitive Church; and therefore is for most just causes taken away and abolished within the King's Majesty's realms and dominions.

    “The Bishop of Rome is so far from being the supreme head of the universal Church of Christ, that his works and doctrine do plainly discover him to be that man of sin, foretold in the holy Scriptures, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and abolish with the brightness of his coming."

    THE SAVOV DECLARATION OF THE CONGREGATIONAL CHURCHES, 1658
    "There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ; nor can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but he is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition that exalteth himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God, whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming."

    THE BAPTIST CONFESSION OF 1688
    [The same confession, in essence, as above.]

    TO BE CONTINUED
     
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    OF COURSE I disagree cuz they were WRONG. Sure, many popes have been antichrists, especially the Borgia ones, but "THE" worst antichrist of all, the "beast", hasn't come yet.

    The jeezits publicized preterism to deflect the belief that the line of popes was the AC. But Scripture had already done it. All one need do is READ IT. Daniel mentioned "a prince", not plural princes. Paul said "MAN of sin", not "men". And Revelation mentions THE beast from the sea & THE beast from the earth, not "the beasts". In other words, the beast/antichrist will be ONE MAN, with his sidekick, the false prophet, who shall be his mouthpiece.
     
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    They were simply WRONG. Those men "cured" headaches by cutting the skull open to allow the "bad humours" to escape, & believed the sun revolved around the earth. They believed those things for hundreds of years. Were they right? HUH?
     
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    They were correct and you are wrong.
    They could read the scriptures and you can't. The prince came and destroyed the temple, C'est finis
     
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    No, YOU are as wrong as they.

    Again, for one who claims to not be a pret, you certainly seemta believe much of their hooey.

    Yes, the Romans destroyed the temple as part of the "days of vengeance" Jesus prophesied against that generation of Jews. But Titus was not THE prince, the man of sin, the beast.
     
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    The Jesuits invented futurism to deflect the belief that the papacy is Antichrist
    . (1)

    FUTURISM

    Francisco Ribera (1537-1591) was a Jesuit doctor of theology, born in Spain, who began writing a lengthy commentary in 1585 on the book of Revelation (Apocalypse) titled In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarij, and published it about the year 1590. He died in 1591 at the age of fifty-four, so he was not able to expand on his work or write any other commentaries on Revelation. In order to remove the Catholic Church from consideration as the antichrist power, Ribera proposed that the first few chapters of the Apocalypse applied to ancient pagan Rome, and the rest he limited to a yet future period of 3 1/2 literal years, immediately prior to the second coming. During that time, the Roman Catholic Church would have fallen away from the pope into apostasy. Then, he proposed, the antichrist, a single individual, would:

    • Persecute and blaspheme the saints of God.
    • Rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.
    • Abolish the Christian religion.
    • Deny Jesus Christ.
    • Be received by the Jews.
    • Pretend to be God.
    • Kill the two witnesses of God.
    • Conquer the world.
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    The Jesuits invented futurism to deflect the belief that the papacy is Antichrist. (2)

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    Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, one of the best known Jesuit apologists, published a work between 1581 and 1593 entitled Disputationum Roberti Bellarmini De controversiis Christian fidei adversus hujus temporis haereticos, (Polemic Lectures Concerning the Disputed Points of the Christian Belief Against the Heretics of This Time), in which he also denied the day = year principle in prophecy and pushed the reign of antichrist into a future period of 3 1/2 literal years. (See Froom, Prophetic Faith, Vol. 2, pgs. 495 - 502).

    Volume I (Book 3 - De Summo Pontifice), 1608 printing.

    A 19th century printing:

    Volume I (Book 3 - De Summo Pontifice)
    Volume II
    Volume III
    Volume IV
    Volume IV Part II
     
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    The Jesuits invented futurism to deflect the belief that the papacy is Antichrist. (3)

    Michael Walpole

    A Treatise on Antichrist Conteyning the defence of Cardinall Bellarmines arguments, which inuincibly demonstrate, that the pope is not Antichrist. Against George Downam by Michael Christopherson priest ..., Volume 1 of 2 by the English Jesuit, Michael Walpole (1570-1624?), 1613 edition. Christopherson is a pseudonym for Walpole.

    The third chapter, titled "Wherein it is shewed, that Antichrist is not yet come", (pages 49-51) discusses the protestant (Lutheran) Matthias Flacius Illyricus (1520-1575) and his Catalogue of Witnesses to the Truth who before our day cried out against the Pope (Catalogus Testium Veritatis - Basel, 1556), his Magdeburg Centuries (Ecclesiastica Historia, 1559 - 1574), an ecclesiastical history of 13 volumes (1 volume per century) to 1298 A.D. which established from that history that the Bishop of Rome was the Antichrist, and a 1260 year spiritual reign of the papal Antichrist, proposed to be from 606 - 1866 A.D., with the Lord's judgment commencing in 1866!

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    The Jesuits invented futurism to deflect the belief that the papacy is Antichrist.(4)


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    Manuel De Lacunza (1731–1801), a Jesuit from Chile, wrote a manuscript in Spanish titled La Venida del Mesias en Gloria y Magestad ("The Coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty"), under the pen name of Juan Josafa [Rabbi] Ben-Ezra about 1791. Lacunza wrote under an assumed Jewish name to obscure the fact that he was a Catholic, in order to give his book better acceptance in Protestantism, his intended audience. Also an advocate of Futurism, Lacunza was deliberately attempting to take the pressure off the papacy by proposing that the Antichrist was still off in the future. His manuscript was published in London, Spain, Mexico and Paris between 1811 and 1826. Volume 1 Volume II Volume III

    [​IMG] La Venida del Mesias en Gloria y Magestad online at the National Library of Chile (in Spanish).
     
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    The Jesuits invented futurism to deflect the belief that the papacy is Antichrist. (5)

    Then finaly futurism spread to Protestantism when Edward Irving translated Lacunza's book into English,

    Edward Irving (1792-1834), a Scottish Presbyterian and forerunner of the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements, translated Lacunza's work from Spanish into English in a book titled The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty with a Preliminary Discourse, published in London in 1827 by L.B. Seeley & Sons, which included Irving's own lengthy preface. Here are excerpts from Irving's translation:

    Lacunza asserts that Antichrist would appear near the end of time:

    That there shall be an Antichrist; that he shall be revealed, and publicly declared, towards the last times; and that he shall commit in the world the greatest evils, making formal war against Christ, and all that pertains to him; —these are three certain things, of which no Christian can doubt. -- Vol. I, Part II, Phenomenon III, pg. 195.

    Antichrist, Lacunza concludes, would not be just one man:

    ACCORDING to all the signs given in the Holy Scriptures, and others, not equivocal, offered to us by time, which is wont to be the best interpreter of the prophecies, the antichrist, or the contrachrist, with whom we stand threatened in the times immediate upon the coming of the Lord, is nothing but a moral body, composed of innumerable individuals, diverse in themselves, but all morally united and animated with one common spirit, against the Lord and against his Christ; -- Vol. I, Part II, Phenomenon III, pg. 196.

    As to the harlot woman riding the beast in Revelation 17, Lacunza acknowledges it is indeed referring to Rome:

    ... the doctors do all agree, that the woman here spoken of is the city of Rome, in other times the capital of the greatest empire in the world, and now the capital and centre of unity of the true Christian church. On this first point, which is not called in question, there is no occasion to tarry. -- Vol. I, Part II, Phenomenon III, pg. 240.

    ... it is not present Rome which is at all spoken of here, but future Rome alone to which the prophecy hath its determinate application. -- Vol. I, Part II, Phenomenon III, pg. 251.

    Rome yes, Lacunza agrees, but not the Roman Catholic Church of his day, which he calls the true church, rather he pushes this prophecy in Revelation 17 off into the future:

    Rome, not idolatrous but Christian, not the head of the Roman empire but the head of Christendom, and centre of unity of the true church of the living God, may very well, without ceasing from this dignity, at some time or other incur the guilt, and before God be held guilty of fornication with the kings of the earth, and amenable to all its consequences. And in this there is not any inconsistency, however much her defenders may shake the head. And this same Rome, in that same state, may receive upon herself the horrible chastisement spoken of in the prophecy; -- Vol. I, Part II, Phenomenon III, pg. 252.

    This apostate Christian group termed Antichrist would be:

    ... slain and destroyed by Christ himself in the great day of his coming in glory and majesty. -- Vol. I, Part II, Phenomenon IV, pg. 292.

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    Edward Irving's translation of Lacunza's
    Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty
    at Google Books


    Volume 1, .pdf (28 Mb)

    Volume 2, .pdf (19 Mb)


     
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    Your exiguous knowledge and debating skills stupefy. How onerous it must be to so delicately balance self-effacing humility with that of august exaltation.

    Please list, with authoritative citations, all the Protestant martyrs, pastors and theologians who cut open skulls to relieve headaches. Then list, with authoritative citations, all the Protestant martyrs, pastors and theologians who taught the sun revolved around the Earth.

    Like a dog that returns to his vomit is a fool who repeats his folly.

    Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him (Proverbs 26:11-12).
     
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    The Jesuits invented futurism to deflect the belief that the papacy is Antichrist. (6)

    Edward Irving then preached on Dispensationalism on Christmas Day 1825 (Morning Watch Magazine)

    Margaret McDonald, a 15 year old Scottish girl, and member of Edward Irving's congregation, had visions in early 1830 that included a Secret Rapture of believers before the appearance of the Antichrist. She informed Irving of her visions by letter.The Irvingites began to hold prophetic conferenes in Albury, )ondon, Lady Powersourt attended one or more and then held similar prophetic conferences at her home in Powerscourt Ireland Irving then attended the prophecy conferences that began in Dublin Ireland in 1830 at Powerscourt Castle, where he promoted both Futurism and a Secret Rapture. (Irving preached on Dispesationalism 5 years before Margret Macdonald.

    Samuel Roffey Maitland (1792-1866), scholar and librarian to the Archbishop of Canterbury, further promoted and established Futurism in England after 1826, as a result of reading the work of Manuel De Lacunza. He concluded that the 3 1/2 times, 42 months, and 1260 days of Daniel and Revelation were all intended to be a literal 3 1/2 years, not 1260 years.

    John Nelson Darby (1800–1882), a Church of Ireland clergyman, later with the Plymouth Brethren, also promoted Futurism and a secret rapture. Darby attended the series of meetings on Bible Prophecy that began in 1830 at Powerscourt, Ireland, and at these conferences Darby apparently learned about the secret rapture as revealed by vision to Margaret McDonald, and promoted by Edward Irving, and he soon visited Margaret MacDonald at her home in Port Glasgow, Scotland. Darby later visited America several times between 1859 and 1874, where his Futurist theology was readily accepted.
    Samuel Prideaux Tregelles (1813-1875), formerly with the Plymouth Brethren, he became Presbyterian, and published The Hope Of Christ's Second Coming in 1864, in which he gave the following testimony on the origin of the secret rapture:

    "I am not aware that there was any definite teaching that there would be a secret rapture of the Church at a secret coming, until this was given forth as an "utterance" in Mr. Irving’s Church, from what was there received as being the voice of the Spirit. But whether any one ever asserted such a thing or not, it was from that supposed revelation that the modern doctrine and the modern phraseology respecting it arose. It came not from Holy Scripture, but from that which falsely pretended to be the Spirit of God, while not owning the true doctrine of our Lord’s incarnation in the same flesh and blood as His brethren, but without taint of sin." -- Footnote 1 for Chapter 9, pg 35.

    Note that the respected Presbyterian minister Matthew Henry's Commentary (complete edition edited by George Burder and John Hughes, published in 1811), does
    not mention any secret rapture in Revelation 4:1. See also The Truth About the Rapture.

    Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (1843-1921), greatly influenced by the writings of J. N. Darby, incorporated Futurism in the notes of his Scofield Reference Bible. First published by Oxford University Press in 1909, one million copies were printed by 1930. The Scofield Bible was instrumental in firmly establishing the Jesuit inspired Futurist interpretation in the Protestant Bible schools of the United States in the 20th century.

     
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    The Jesuits invented futurism to deflect the belief that the papacy is Antichrist. (7)

    The Jesuit Inspired Futurist Lie Spreads
    To America's Protestant Seminaries


    These seminaries and ministries have wholly abandoned the historical Protestant and biblical teaching that the Roman Catholic Church is the apostate church, the harlot of Revelation, with the Antichrist papacy at its head, and instead serve to screen the papal Antichrist power from being perceived by their students or viewers. They are accurately described as false prophets!

    • Dallas Theological Seminary (a nondenominational Protestant school): Lewis Sperry Chafer (1871-1952), a student of Cyrus Scofield, founded Evangelical Theological College (now DTS) in 1924, which is likely the most influential seminary in the United States today. Futurism, and the secret rapture (which they call the blessed hope), are covered in articles 18-20 of the DTS Full Doctrinal Statement.

      Some of the more well known alumni and faculty of DTS:
      • John Walvoord (Professor Emeritus of Systematic Theology, President of Dallas Theological Seminary from 1952 to 1986, Chancellor of DTS since 1986), author of The Rapture Question (1957), and member of the revision committee for The New Scofield Reference Bible.
      • Chuck Swindoll (Insight for Living), President of Dallas Theological Seminary since July of 1994.
      • Charles C. Ryrie (Professor Emeritus Dallas Theological Seminary), author of The Ryrie Study Bible, which has been characterized as the updated Scofield Reference Bible for the end of the twentieth century.
      • Hal Lindsey, (hallindsey.com - hallindseyoracle.com) author of The Rapture: Truth or Consequences (1983), perhaps the best known prophecy author of the last 30 years. Sole credited Bible authority for Trinity Broadcasting's recent Futurist antichrist movie Omega Code.
      • J. Vernon McGee (1904-1988), Through the Bible Radio series.
      • Kenneth N. Taylor (former director of Moody Press, founder of Tyndale House Publishing), author of The Living Bible. Tyndale House publishes the hugely popular Left Behind Futurist series by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins.
      • Thomas Ice (Executive Director of the Pre-trib Research Center), Th.M. from DTS, co-founder of Pre-trib Research Center with Tim LaHaye.
      • Renald Showers, Most High God: A Commentary on the Book of Daniel.
    • Moody Bible Institute of Chicago: In 1890, C. I. Scofield began a Comprehensive Bible Correspondence Course, later taken over about 1914 by the Moody Bible Institute (Dwight. L. Moody, founder of the Moody Church, had converted Scofield, and Scofield preached and presided at Moody's funeral in 1899).
      • Moody Press supplied Sunday School lessons to the Assembly of God churches about 1914, introducing Pentecostals to Futurism and the secret rapture theory.
      • The Ryrie Study Bible, by Charles C. Ryrie, a graduate Dallas Theological Seminary, boasts 10,000+ study notes and is listed among the best selling books published by Moody Press.
      • Jerry B. Jenkins, co-author of the Left Behind series, is the former vice president for publishing of Moody Bible Institute, and former editor of Moody Magazine. Currently he is Moody Bible Institute's writer-at-large.
    • Western Theological Seminary (Reformed Church in America).
      • Alma Mater of Tim LaHaye, founder of the Pre-trib Research Center, co-author of the Left Behind series of books, by far the most popular series promoting Futurism and the secret rapture, which has sold 20+ million copies. Published by Tyndale House, at least 12 titles are planned for the series. The film version of the first book in the series has been produced by prophecy authors Peter and Paul Lalonde of Cloud Ten Pictures. Released first on video cassette, and then in theaters in early 2001, people who have seen Left Behind say it is confusing, and lacks a Gospel presentation of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, making it of little (if any) evangelistic value, much like TBN's Omega Code and Megiddo (Omega Code II).
    • Tim LaHaye School of Prophecy - opens in January 2002 on the campus of Liberty University
      Lynchburg, V.A., Dr. Jerry Falwell - Chancellor. Tim LaHaye says he was impressed by the prophecy conferences of Albury Park and Powerscourt held in Britain in the 1820's and 1830's and this led directly to his co-founding the Pre-trib Research Center. Edward Irving and J. N. Darby attended, and apparently greatly influenced, these 19th century British prophecy conferences where the secret rapture and futurism gained in acceptance among Protestant prophecy scholars.
     
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    The Jesuits invented futurism to deflect the belief that the papacy is Antichrist. (8)
    Well known ministries teaching Futurism and the Secret Rapture:


    The Moment After - TMA Productions.
    Two FBI agents investigate the reason for the sudden mysterious disappearance of millions of people.

    The Gathering - DRC Productions.
    Two unbelieving women and a believing husband have disturbing visions of the impending tribulation and sudden rapture of Christians.

    End of the Harvest - Christiano Film Group.
    A college student, who experiences strange dreams of a farmer harvesting wheat, reluctantly defends end-time Bible prophecy when another student fails to give the presentation to a group of die-hard atheists in a philosophy club. Subtly promotes spiritualism (communications from the dead).

    • Jack Van Impe Ministries - Author of The Jack Van Impe Prophecy Bible and a verse-by-verse commentary on the book of Revelation entitled Revelation Revealed. On his TV program, Jack claims that God Himself has shown him the error of previous Bible interpreters and given him the absolutely correct interpretation of the book of Revelation. Producer of the following futurist-themed movies:
      • Apocalypse I: Caught in the Eye of the Storm.
      • Apocalypse II: Revelation.
      • Apocalypse III: Tribulation.
      • Apocalypse IV: Judgment.
    • Jerry Falwell Ministries - heavily promotes the Tim LaHaye School of Bible Prophecy, which opened in January 2002 on the campus of Falwell's Liberty University.
    • John Hagee Ministries - Offers the John Hagee Prophecy Study Bible, billed as "the only Prophecy Study Bible of its kind", with over 300 pages of Bible Prophecy study notes and having unique Bible Prophecy charts. John Hagee has strongly promoted the Left Behind books and movie with hour long infomercial TV programs.
    • The King is Coming, World Prophetic Ministry, Colton, California, Ed Hindson President. Founded by Dr. Howard C. Estep (1916-1986), author of The Catching Away (1967). Committed to the literal interpretation of the Bible. Dr. Dave Breese, former President of W.P.M. and Teacher on "The King is Coming." referred to Scofield's margin notes when teaching the Futurist interpretation of Daniel's 70 weeks on The King is Coming. Contributed to the Tim LaHaye Study Bible, billed as "the most complete study Bible ever!". Tim LaHaye has been guest speaker for a series of programs on the "The King is Coming".
    • Grant R. Jeffrey (Prophecy Online)
    • Hilton Sutton World Ministries
    • Zola Levitt - Zola Levitt Ministries "holds to a strictly literal and inerrant Bible interpretation, salvation through Christ alone, a soon pre-tribulation Rapture of all believers and the establishment of a thousand-year kingdom on Earth."
    • John Ankerberg (Ankerberg Theological Research Institute), (Harbor Lighthouse)
    • Perry Stone (Manna Fest), Founder and President of Voice of Evangelism Ministries Inc.
    • Chuck Missler (Koinonia House). Questions Continue: The Great Snatch?
    • Dave Hunt (The Berean Call) - author of A Woman Rides the Beast, remarkably enough, teaches the secret rapture and future antichrist.
    In these eight posts you have the whole history of the Jesuit Futurism Lie.
     
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    Oh you are tiresome
    Titus was the prince, but NOT the man of sin or the beast, Daniel 9 does not mention either of them.

    Was the temple Destroyed? YES
    Was Jerusalem destroyed ? YES
    Who destroyed them,? The people af the prince who came, against his orders, The soldiers of Titus. So accurate a fulfillment, it is sad that anyone can doubt it, especially you as you boast your knowledge of history.
     
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    Robocop said: “Daniel mentioned "a prince", not plural princes……… But Titus was not THE prince, the man of sin, the beast.”

    Daniel 9:26 does not say “the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and Temple.” Rather, it says “the people of the prince that shall come” ……they shall destroy the city and Temple. The people are Romans, prefiguring Roman Catholics who, under authority of the Roman Catholic prince who is to come in the Middle Ages --- Antichrist ---- shall destroy/war against the people of God, who are the Temple of God. This is also encapsulated in Revelation 11, which is currently under consideration in this thread.

    Robocop further states, “And Revelation mentions THE beast from the sea & THE beast from the earth, not "the beasts". In other words, the beast/antichrist will be ONE MAN, with his sidekick, the false prophet, who shall be his mouthpiece.”

    Once again, Robocop’s attempt at exegesis has posed an insoluble conundrum. If we follow his skillful analysis consistently, we, too, must believe that 1 Timothy 6:11, speaks to only one individual:

    But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

    For Paul did not say ‘men of God.’

    The principle must also hold true for 2 Timothy 3:17:

    That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
     
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    Revelation 11: The Two Witnesses - Part 12

    Acts of the National Synod held by the Reformed Churches of France at Gap, October, 1603 (Source)

    [N.B. These Churches updated their original 1559 Confession to include, among other things, a more exact declaration of Antichrist, including the reasons for such belief.]

    “5. That article treating of Antichrist shall be the 31st in order in our Confession of Faith, and shall be thus worded:

    Whereas the Bishop of Rome hath erected for himself a temporal Monarchy in the Christian world, and usurping a sovereign authority and lordship over all churches and pastors, doth exalt himself to that degree of insolency, as to be called God, and will be adored, arrogating to himself all-power in Heaven and Earth, and to dispose of all ecclesiastical matters, to define Articles of Faith, to authorize and expound at his pleasure the sacred Scriptures, to buy and sell the souls of men, to dispense with vows, oaths and covenants, and to institute new ordinances of religious worship.

    “And in the civil state he tramples underfoot all lawful authority of Magistrates, setting up and pulling down Kings, disposing of Kings and of their Kingdoms at his pleasure: We therefore believe and maintain that he is truly and properly The Antichrist, the Son of Perdition, predicted by the Holy Prophets, that great Whore clothed with scarlet, sitting upon seven mountains in that great City which had dominion over the Kings of the Earth; and we hope and wait that the Lord according to His promise, and as He hath already begun, will confound him by the Spirit of His mouth, and destroy him finally by the brightness of His coming” (p.227).

    [N.B. Furthermore, due to persecution caused by the public preaching which identifies the Pope who holds the papal office as the Antichrist, the Synod made the following declaration.]

    “Divers Pastors and members of several churches remonstrated in this Assembly how they had been troubled and prosecuted for calling the Pope Antichrist in their private and public discourses. This Synod protesting that this was the common faith and confession of all our Churches, and of this present Synod, That the Pope is the Great Antichrist, and one of the principle causes of our separation and departure from the Church of Rome, and that this Confession was contained in and extracted out of the holy Scriptures, that it had been sealed with the blood of a world of Martyrs.

    “Therefore, all the faithful, be they Pastors or private Christians, are exhorted constantly to persist in the profession of it, and openly and boldly to confess it…..” (p.238).

    To be continued…..
     
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    I was speaking about the people in general then.

    Now, please list some **proof** that the prophesied eschatological events have already occurred. You might start by telling us when Jesus returned, seen by ALL.
     
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