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The Third Party Fishing For Dissatisfied Christians

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by KenH, Oct 20, 2020.

  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Nope. I was never gonna vote for Trump. Not everyone allows himself to be trapped into voting for the Duopoly selections.
     
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    No Trump vote means Biden vote!
     
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    Nope. That type of reasoning is faulty.
     
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    It might be morally faulty. It's definitely not electorally faulty.
     
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    Yes, it is electorally faulty. I don't why people allow the Duopoly to control them into thinking that their selections are the only ones to consider voting for. People should be able to reason better than that. They don't allow cereal companies to control them into only two cereal choices.
     
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    Tell that to the dead fetuses when Biden is elected.

    Hey I voted for someone I wanted who was against abortion!
    My conscious is clear!
    Trump is crooked and a liar!
    My candidate was a comparative angel.

    Yeah, was.
     
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    Brian Carroll is a WAY better human being than Trump or Biden.
     
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    I don't think there are only two choices for president. But until there's a reasonable chance of someone besides the main two actually getting elected, there's little point in voting for them.

    I also remember the last time there was a viable 3rd party candidate. H Ross Perot siphoned votes from George Bush Sr., which put Bill Clinton in the White House.

    Giving a third party candidate a few thousand votes across the whole United States is not going to be of any use to the candidate, but it could make a difference to one of the top-tier candidates. I don't expect to convince you, but I see my son changing his mind after voting for American Conservative Party candidates in previous elections.
     
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    You forgot "was" a way better candidate and I will not dispute who was the better, perhaps as morality goes.
     
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    Disputable.

    "Here’s the truth. Exit polls showed that Perot drew votes almost evenly from Clinton and Bush. In the states where Perot did the best—Texas and Florida—Bush still won and took all the Electoral College votes. The truth has hardly mattered to what has become known in political circles as the Perot Myth."

    The Economy and ‘Read My Lips,’ Not Ross Perot, Cost President Bush His 1992 Reelection
     
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    As long as most people keep voting for only Duopoly selections, how do you expect there to be a chance for a non-Duopoly candidate to get elected? Do you expect a new party to start off full grown like Athena popping out of Zeus' head?
     
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    Lets get real, only Trump or Biden will win, and Trump way better from Bible viewpoint!
     
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    You can see into hearts and minds now then?
     
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    The Third Party Fishing For Dissatisfied Christians = The Third Party is Attempting to Take Away Votes by Discouraging Christians Who Would Vote for Trump.

    Any rationally minded person can see the truth of this hidden agenda and would factor in the consequences. Only fools would fall for it and throw away their votes.
     
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    That could be. My dad had voted Democrat all his life, but voted for Perot, because he saw Clinton as such a bad choice. And Bush certainly didn’t make a lot of conservative friends. If that’s the case, then it reverts back into a wash, and other 3rd party candidates then performed the same function I already talked about.


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    Ross Perot provided a hope.


    Here is a view from the slightly left:

    Despite losing the 1992 election, Ross Perot transformed the world (Opinion) - CNN

    Former Presidential candidate Ross Perot dies at 89 03:23
    Julian Zelizer is a professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University, and author, with Kevin Kruse, of the new book "Fault Lines: A History of the United States Since 1974." Follow him on Twitter at @julianzelizer. The opinions expressed in this commentary are his own. View more opinion at CNN.

    (CNN)Sometimes the losers in presidential politics still have an immense impact on the way that we conduct our democracy.

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    Julian Zelizer
    This was the case with the Texas billionaire Ross Perot, who has died at the age of 89. Although Perot's independent candidacy was unsuccessful in the 1992 election (and he really struggled in 1996), his television-centered strategy served as a model for subsequent candidates from both major parties.
    For better or worse, Perot understood that cable television had become the dominant medium of political communication. The spread of cable in the 1980s and early 1990s resulted in the rapid proliferation of channels, each more specialized than the next, and a 24-hour news cycle that demanded constant content.
    During his 1992 campaign for the presidency, which ended up garnering about 19.7 million votes in a contest against President George H.W. Bush and Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton, Perot brought his case directly to the people via the televised airwaves. He announced his candidacy on CNN's "Larry King Live." Perot told King that he would run as long as his supporters were able to get his name on the ballot in all 50 states. Perot also asked supporters to make small contributions to his campaign, which led to the telephone lines lighting up.
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    Ross Perot Fast Facts

    Besides appearing in interviews on television that brought him free airtime, Perot used infomercials as a way to make his case. Infomercials were all the rage in the 1990s. These were long advertisements meant to look like television shows. With his strong Texas drawl, the businessman used air time he purchased to rattle off information about the growing federal debt, the importance of balancing the budget, the jobs being threatened by foreign competition.
    The 30-minute infomercials were not flashy, but they did employ visual elements such as graphs and charts to make clear points to viewers. More than 16 million people saw the first ad that he aired on October 6, 1992, according to The New York Times.
    Understanding that television shows had to keep viewers interested, Perot became a character in his own story. Family members appeared to sing his praise. He was the folksy businessman who understood how to make things work as, he said, was evident from his own bank account. He promoted a thin and simplistic -- though for some attractive --populist, anti-incumbent message tailor-made for television.
    His colorful charts and snappy interviews were littered with snappy sayings made to grab headlines. Perot promised to "take the trash and clean out the barn." He always kept things simple, using the increase in the debt to symbolize all that he argued was going wrong with the country.

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    1993 NAFTA debate: Al Gore vs Ross Perot (Full debate) 42:04
    One of his signature phrases was his warning of a "giant sucking sound," with NAFTA enabling Mexico to threaten American jobs, prefiguring Donald Trump's focus on economic competition from America's southern neighbor.
    Perot understood that in the cable television era, presidential candidates had the opportunity to take their case directly to the people and didn't even have to suffer through the filter of journalists anymore. By the 1990s, the news media offered a way for candidates to say what they wanted when they wanted to say it.
    Since his first run, presidents and presidential candidates have accelerated their efforts to tailor their governing style to the 24-hour, fragmented news universe. For instance, one of the first steps that President Clinton took to make sure NAFTA made its way through Congress was to send Vice President Al Gore back to "Larry King Live" to debate Perot.
    We are currently living deep in the world that Perot helped create. President Trump focuses on cable news, obtaining much of his information via these channels and constantly attempting to shape the on-air conversation to his advantage. His Twitter feed is a real-time infomercial enabling him to send out whatever information he wants.

    Perot's passing offers us a moment to reflect on just how much the world of presidential politics has changed in the past few decades. It is also a time to think about some of the high costs that this form of politics has brought us.
     
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