1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

The Triangle Factory Fire Of 1911

Discussion in 'History Forum' started by John Yurich, Apr 25, 2017.

  1. John Yurich

    John Yurich Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2017
    Messages:
    195
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    The Triangle Factory Fire of March 1911 had an interesting spiritual realm to it. Some of the women who survived stated they saw a man at the windows trying to get the women to jump to their deaths. But naturally the Catholic women refused to do that as they were taught that suicide would lead them to Hell. There were eyewitnesses that stated that the man was not seen exiting the building. That man must have been one of the fallen angels trying to get as many women into Hell by having them do themselves in by suicide.
     
  2. Rolfe

    Rolfe Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 17, 2014
    Messages:
    6,898
    Likes Received:
    638
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Please show a scriptural basis for your belief that suicide is unpardonable and is an automatic ticket to Hell.
     
  3. John Yurich

    John Yurich Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2017
    Messages:
    195
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Suicide is in reality self murder, which is a violation of the Commandment against murder. If one commits suicide then they are incapable of repenting of the sin of suicide and thus go to Hell.
     
  4. Rolfe

    Rolfe Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 17, 2014
    Messages:
    6,898
    Likes Received:
    638
    Faith:
    Baptist
    How do you reconcile that with Romans 8:38,39?

    38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[a] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Can a believer, who is part of creation, separate himself from the love of Our Lord? I do not think so.
     
  5. Reynolds

    Reynolds Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2014
    Messages:
    13,796
    Likes Received:
    2,468
    Faith:
    Baptist
    First, I do not believe that suicide will send a saved person to Hell. Outside that, this particular instance is not suicide. It is simply choosing whether to die of sudden massive blunt force trauma or whether to die by being consumed by fire.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    20,914
    Likes Received:
    706
    Could a murderer go to heaven?
     
  7. John Yurich

    John Yurich Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2017
    Messages:
    195
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    If suicide does not lead one to Hell then why was there a fallen angel at the window of the Triangle Factory during that fire trying to get those women to jump to their deaths and thus in reality commit suicide?
     
  8. John Yurich

    John Yurich Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2017
    Messages:
    195
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Murderers do not go to Heaven.
     
  9. InTheLight

    InTheLight Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    24,988
    Likes Received:
    2,268
    Faith:
    Baptist
    So Paul, author of most of the New Testament, is not going to Heaven? Oh-oh...
     
  10. John Yurich

    John Yurich Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2017
    Messages:
    195
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    I should have stated that murderers who do not repent of their murders do not go to Heaven. And since Saint Paul did of course repent and received Jesus as his Savior and Lord then he is in Heaven.
     
  11. InTheLight

    InTheLight Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    24,988
    Likes Received:
    2,268
    Faith:
    Baptist
    That's what I was hoping you'd say.
     
  12. Baptist Believer

    Baptist Believer Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    10,729
    Likes Received:
    787
    Faith:
    Baptist
    If the man existed at all, why do you assert that it "must" have been a supernatural figure?

    This is terrible theology since it means that anyone who dies with unrepented sin in their lives will face destruction. That's salvation by moral purity, not the grace of God. In other words, Jesus only gave us a bath, but if we get dirty again, we're on our own.

    People commit suicide when they feel they cannot endure facing another day or moment. There's a myriad of reasons for that, including mental illness, that even true Christians may struggle with.

    Circular reasoning.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  13. Reynolds

    Reynolds Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2014
    Messages:
    13,796
    Likes Received:
    2,468
    Faith:
    Baptist
    What proof is there that a fallen angel in fact did this?
     
  14. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    20,080
    Likes Received:
    3,490
    Faith:
    Baptist
    None. After researching the incident I could find no eye witness testimony to what the OP is claiming. None.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  15. John Yurich

    John Yurich Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2017
    Messages:
    195
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    There were women who survived the Triangle Factory Fire that stated there was a man that suddenly appeared at a window encouraging women to jump to their deaths.
     
  16. Baptist Believer

    Baptist Believer Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    10,729
    Likes Received:
    787
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I have heard that before, but it was a sensationalist television program that used it as a teaser. I'm sure someone somewhere claimed that, but I am quite skeptical. It has the sound of an urban legend to me.
     
  17. Reynolds

    Reynolds Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2014
    Messages:
    13,796
    Likes Received:
    2,468
    Faith:
    Baptist
    What proof do you have that the man was a fallen angel? Please avoid circular logic in providing this proof.
     
Loading...