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the Truth about Bible Versions and Eternal Security

DeclareHim

New Member
I believe in salvation through Jesus Christ alone. I don't believe works can "unsave" you or make you spend time in "punishment" till you can even up the "score". See Ephesian 2:8-9. I believe in the eternal security of the believer.
I am trusting in Jesus alone for salvation. Praise His name.

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Ransom

Active Member
Ransom, I will let you and Craig debate the eternal security issue

I was not debating the eternal security issue with Craig. I was answering your denial of solus Christus.

Perhaps it is wise of you to change the subject, as it appears that your arguments hold no water.
 

Lacy Evans

New Member
Originally posted by robycop3:
You've blown it...How can a PLACE be dumped anywhere, especially into ITSELF?

The lake of fire is not hell,

Then, besides gehenna, what the HECK is it?
Hell is Hell.

The Lake of Fire is the Lake of Fire.

Hell gets dumped into the Lake of Fire.

"Heck" is what we say in West Texas when we miss the nail with the hammer.


I hope that helps clear it up Roby.

Lacy
 

Craigbythesea

Well-Known Member
Ok craig, I am I supposed to infer from this that a: you never lie, or b: you believe a Christian can never lose his salvation?
You are not supposed to infer anything, but take the post at face value. But of course you don’t want to do that!!!


You have already told me that you believe a Christian CAN lose his salvation.
Yes, and rather than simply accept that fact, you have attributed to me a host of false doctrines that I do NOT believe.


You seem to think that somehow your idea that you must continue to work in order to keep your free gift is not works salvation and that it somehow can be reconciled with such verses as
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

or

Romans 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
James, you know what I believe, and you KNOW that I do NOT believe what you are representing as my beliefs. I fully realize that it is much easier for you refute crazy beliefs that I do not hold to rather than scriptural beliefs that I do hold to, but, you are shifting the discussion away from the truth and away from anything even close to reality.

My beliefs are all scriptural, and they are the beliefs of the Ante-Nicene Church Fathers whom it pleased our Lord to use to formalize the doctrine of the Trinity and to establish to New Testament Canon. Joey Faust’s doctrine of Kingdom Exclusion is a lie from hell, plain and simple! Rather than study the words that formulate the terminology of the New Testament writers, Joey Faust has embarked on a mission from hell, twisting and distorting the Gospel and the rest of the New Testament to make it fit his grossly ignorant view of the Bible.

Joey Faust is a false prophet, and his understanding of New Testament terminology is all skewed to fit his false teachings. You are arguing for the same false meanings of New Testament terminology that Joey Faust teaches and has published in his book, already reference by me earlier in this thread. Why do your posts seem so wacky? They seem so wacky because the thoughts behind them come from the wacky Joey Faust.

There are some very precious young people reading these posts, and we all have a responsibility before God to be very careful what we post.

Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

[ September 06, 2004, 10:22 AM: Message edited by: Pastor_Bob ]
 

James_Newman

New Member
Ok brother, for the record then, state very clearly what it is you believe will happen to a Christian who is not walking after the spirit. So I will not be accused of misrepresenting your beliefs. I believe we are once saved, always saved through believing in the blood atonement of our Lord Jesus Christ. I believe we are saved by grace, not works. I believe salvation is a free gift. I believe that once we have been saved that no man may take us out of His hand, and that includes ourselves. I believe that a son of God who is walking in darkness will be punished, but will not be lost for eternity.

If it makes you uncomfortable to call your view of salvation Works Salvation, then call it something else, but it has the same stench.
 

James_Newman

New Member
Also, it is very unfair of you to ignore the fact that in his book, Mr Faust has been more than generous in his citations and shows that this belief has been held by many Christians throughout the centuries. I could list them here if you like?
 

Pastor_Bob

Well-Known Member
This discussion would be more appropriate in the theology forum. The main emphasis of this thread is doctrine.

I've changed the title to "Will a Christian ever go to hell?"

To go directly to this thread in it's new forum, click on the "This topic has been moved to Baptist Theology & Bible Study" link at the top of the page.

[ September 06, 2004, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: Pastor_Bob ]
 
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