The truth on global warming

[SolaSaint]

We've all heard of the climategate issue and the fact that main stream media refuses to report on it. But just tonight when I came home from work to sit down and watch the news (CBS), they ran a piece about the ice retreating in Greenland and that 2009 was one of the warmest years on record along with the last three decades being extremely warm. So it doesn't just seem like the media is ignoring climategate, they are still promoting the data in question to push this man-made symptom of warming the planet.

What do you all believe, who are we to trust in this matter? Who is telling the truth? I will side with the scientists who don't support an agenda (removal of capitalism).

 

[Marcia]

I think there are changes, but I question whether most of it comes from manmade sources and if so, that we can do anything about it.

I also question whether or not anyone knows what the effects of this will be. How can they know? They can't. It's all theory.

I heard someone on NPR (liberal!) say that even if we implement all the changes that are being recommended, it will do next to nothing. He said we should be preparing for adapting to changes, not trying to prevent the changes, which he said is impossible to do.

 

[poncho]

AGW is a scam to push global taxation and world government on the already over regulated, over burdened and over taxed citizens of the United States.

AGW is a direct attack on our freedom as a nation and a people and a wealth redisribution scam aimed at robbing we the people of what little remains of our already severly devauled fiat Federal Reserve notes.

Those pushing AGW are so arrogant they think we're all stupid enough to believe in yet another bogus bogeyman cooked up to rob of us our sovereignty and liberty.

They got another think coming.

The big irony behind top globalists descending on Copenhagen in luxury private jets and stretch limos is not just the fact that their own behavior completely contradicts their self-righteous hyperbole about CO2 emissions, but that their propaganda is vehemently supported by the very same big oil interests they accuse climate skeptics of pandering to.​

Probably one of the most flagrant examples of climate cronyism to emerge from the climategate scandal were emails in which CRU scientists, the body that provides much of the foundational global warming data for the UN IPCC, discuss how they conducted meetings with Shell Oil in order to enlist them as a “strategic partner” while getting them to bankroll pro-man made global warming research.​

The emails reveal that the CRU was also trying to get money from oil giants British Petroleum and Exxon-Mobil, under its former identity as Esso.​

“Now who is the shill for Big Oil again?” asks Anthony Watts. “Next time somebody brings up that ridiculous argument about skeptics, show them this.”​

A “Copenhagen Communiqué” put out by leaders of over 500 global corporations in advance of this week’s summit calls for drastic measures on behalf of developed countries to “de-carbonise their economies” – a move that would completely devastate living standards and lead to gargantuan levels of unemployment.​

The communiqué also demands that a global carbon tax be implemented via a carbon trading system. Bear in mind that the very people calling for such a system are the same people who will benefit from it to the tune of billions, as we shall explore later.​

The statement calls for, “Measures to deliver a robust global greenhouse gas emissions market in order to provide the most effective, efficient and equitable emission reductions. It would be comprised of a growing series of national or regional “cap-and-trade” markets linked together, in which the “caps” are brought down in line with the
targets that have been adopted for emission reduction.”​

The document also states that CO2 emissions need to be reduced by a staggering 50-85% by 2050, a process that would return humanity to a near stone age level of development.​

And who are the radicals calling for such severe measures in the name of fighting the evil life giving gas that humans exhale and plants breathe? Greenpeace? Al Gore?
Namely – James Smith, chairman of UK Shell Oil, Tony Hayward, Group Chief Executive, British Petroleum, along with hundreds of other global corporate giants, many of whom are directly tied in with big oil, and central banks who, far from bankrolling climate change skeptics, are directly invested in the scam of human-induced global warming.​

Full Arrticle​

The truth on global warming is none of the people pushing AGW has the truth in them.​

 

[ccrobinson]

He said we should be preparing for adapting to changes, not trying to prevent the changes, which he said is impossible to do.

Now this is just crazy talk. We could never do this. It makes far too much sense. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[SolaSaint]

WOW! The liberal media is actually speaking about this now. CNN just aired some expert on the climate on the Anderson Cooper show. Of course they denied the e-mails as having nothing at all to do with skewing the data. You see we are too ignorant to understand their scientific studies and methods. They were even speaking of the seas rising 9 feet in the coming decades if the ice doesn't stop melting. Then they ran an ad on the plight of the Polar Bear and another stating Al Gore will be on tomorrow morning to chime in. Man these guys are pushing hard to get you to drive a Clown Car while they streak off on their Lear jets:BangHead::BangHead:

 

[Victorious]

Scam

The e-mails won't go away as they would like them to and Obama seems to be ignoring them. I wrote an article on this for my blog called "E-MAILS? WHAT E-MAILS?" narrowgatejournal.wordpress.com

 

[carpro]

AGW is a scam to push global taxation and world government on the already over regulated, over burdened and over taxed citizens of the United States.

AGW is a direct attack on our freedom as a nation and a people and a wealth redisribution scam aimed at robbing we the people of what little remains of our already severly devauled fiat Federal Reserve notes.

Those pushing AGW are so arrogant they think we're all stupid enough to believe in yet another bogus bogeyman cooked up to rob of us our sovereignty and liberty.

They got another think coming.

On target! :thumbs:

 

[rbell]

Just got through with an amazing article. Not so much groundbreaking, but the presentation was fantastic.

John Hawkins--Four Colossal Holes in the Manmae Global Warming Myth:
http://townhall.com/columnists/John...oles_in_the_theory_of_man-made_global_warming

Summary:

1. "Climate Change" is as old as the earth.
   1. and in fact--the earth has previously been warmer than current temps [my addition: see "growing crops in Greenland"]
2. The earth was cooling from the 1940's to the 1970's.
   1. Cooling??? That can't be...if we were "greenhousing the planet" during those years, temps should have risen
3. If it's "global warming," why are temps no longer going up? (and haven't been for a few years now)
4. We cannot predict weather 100 years in the future. [my addition: people's exhibit A--your local weatherman's 7-day forecast]

A good tidbit from Mr. Hawkins:

The truth is that we don't fully understand how our planet's climate works and thus, our climate models don't work very well. Since the climate models can't explain the climate over the last 25 years and they can't explain the leveling off of temperature since 1998, why would anyone believe they can predict conditions in 100 years? As computer programmers say, "garbage in, garbage out."

What the global warming alarmists are asking of people is no small thing. They want us to spend trillions of dollars, dramatically impact our economies, and change the way people across the world live for the worse. Those are not trivial changes and simply having scientists -- who've been put under enormous political pressure and make a living off global warming grants – say, "Trust us, it's real," isn't going to cut it for proof. If global warming alarmists can't even deliver plausible answers to the most obvious problems with their theory, then no one should take them seriously. (emphasis mine)

 

[rbell]

and still more: SOURCE

Two of the most fanatical Global warm, er, climate change supporters are very disturbed by the climategate revelations. In fact, they are saying we need to re-examine the whole premise.

From the article:

(George) Monbiot and (Tim) Flannery are two of the most fanatical warmist totalitarians on our allegedly endangered planet. If they're hedging their bets, the entire swindle is on the verge of collapse.

Of course, what does NBC do in response to this? Run a global warming piece on "Today" yesterday morning. Idiots.

 

[Revmitchell]

and still more: SOURCE

Two of the most fanatical Global warm, er, climate change supporters are very disturbed by the climategate revelations. In fact, they are saying we need to re-examine the whole premise.

From the article:



Of course, what does NBC do in response to this? Run a global warming piece on "Today" yesterday morning. Idiots.

the state run media is hoping if they ignore it and run their lies the problems will be forgotten and they can keep up their demcom talking points.