The U.S. COVID-19 Death Rate is Lower Than These Countries

[KenH]

 

[Revmitchell]

98 % recovery rate.

 

[Wingman68]

Dr.Shiva says people dying needlessly through wrong treatment. 80% put on a ventilator, die. That brings a 26,000 payout dead or alive. Be suspicious of prescribed treatment, should you desire to live rather than be a covid statistic.

 

[JonC]

98 % recovery rate.

I don't get the numbers. (one site shows 585, 290 total cases, 36,205 recovered, and 23,577 deaths, another 583,515 total cases, 43,273 recovered and 23,352 deaths)

How can they tell us a survival rate or mortality rate based on cases without a final outcome?

 

[Revmitchell]

I don't get the numbers. (one site shows 585, 290 total cases, 36,205 recovered, and 23,577 deaths, another 583,515 total cases, 43,273 recovered and 23,352 deaths)

How can they tell us a survival rate or mortality rate based on cases without a final outcome?

Try using common core math and it will all make sense. [Sarcasm]

 

[JonC]

Try using common core math and it will all make sense. [Sarcasm]

I know your rite. I know English real good but math was never my strongest corse.

 

[Revmitchell]

I know your rite. I know English real good but math was never my strongest corse.

With all the misspelling and poor grammar there I'm assuming that was part of a joke?

 

[JonC]

With all the misspelling and poor grammar there I'm assuming that was part of a joke?

Wow... How judgmental. . (yes).

 

[Van]

I am having a math problem too. Cases per million what? Hospitalizations, population of country, identified cases?

It is not population because 50 times 300 would result in 150,000 deaths in US, rather than 22,000+. OTOH, with 500,000 cases, that works out to about 44,000+ deaths per million cases, not 50.

Does anyone understand the graph?

 

[Benjamin]

Pertaining to the death rate: More people have died from the COVID-19 in New York in 3 days than die from the seasonal flu in a year. How's that math grab you?

 

[KenH]

Pertaining to the death rate: More people have died from the COVID-19 in New York in 3 days than die from the seasonal flu in a year. How's that math grab you?

Yes. It is horrible what is happening in the NYC-New Jersey. I don’t think there is any question that the large metropolitan areas will take longer to open back up than the rest of the country.

 

[Salty]

Just remember - when it comes to Math - 2 + 2 always = 4 -- unless you are a liberal.

 

[Reformed1689]

Pertaining to the death rate: More people have died from the COVID-19 in New York in 3 days than die from the seasonal flu in a year. How's that math grab you?

If of course that is what they actually died from. I contend these numbers are artificially inflated. We already know of cases in hospitals where an individual was not tested but added to the number because they suspect they had it based on symptoms.

 

[Benjamin]

If of course that is what they actually died from.

You are looking very desperate to be COVID-19 denier because your argument is very weak and easily proven so.

I contend these numbers are artificially inflated.

You can contend that but even with an element of truth that SOME of the numbers are inflated your desperation to discount the severity of the death rate of this disease with such logic still seriously fails on several common sense issues.

First, the claim that more people in NY have died from COVID-19 in 3 days than have died form the seasonal flu in a year is an overwhelming % difference that you can NOT overcome with your conspiracy theory claim of a few (some) of these numbers could be inflated and does not change the truth of the death rate comparison that so many falsely deny and want to discount the severity by comparing it to the flu.

For example, what if I conceded to your argument that the numbers are inflated? Okay, how about if I say in 4 days more people died in NY from COVID-19 than died from the seasonal flu in a year? How about if I really gave in and allowed your argument for a great amount of artificially inflated numbers and doubled the days to 6 days? Do you not see that the % still does not come even close to the false conclusion you wish to push that this disease can be compared to the death rate of the seasonal flu?

So if you are thinking rationally and making truth a priority rather than trying to hold to your predispositions you should logically see that your contention does not change the conclusion from the math I offered that proves my conclusion is true that this diseases' death rate is far ...FAR more than the seasonal flu and to try to deny this comparison based on your contention would be a foolish or false premise to argue on.

Second, when using critical thinking skills regarding logical deduction one must often first distinguish in the issues whether they are basing their premises through claiming some, all or even most and in your case to even come close to your conclusion you would need a strong "most" of the cases are artificially inflated and that is simply not a rational claim. Do you see how your contention is very weak being based on only some and even if I gave you it would take double the days to be more deaths than the seasonal flu per year and my conclusion still logically stands about the math.

We already know of cases in hospitals where an individual was not tested but added to the number because they suspect they had it based on symptoms.

Again, you claim to know of some cases where they suspect that some were only based on symptoms and were not actually tested. Sorry, but even if your premise here is true your some does not even put a dent in the percentages of the death rate comparison given or change my conclusion about doing the math on this comparison.

In other words, your "If" in your opening premise sentence does not carry any weight of truth to discount the math I offered and gives you no logical reason to refute what amounts to my unspoken conclusion which you wish to deny that this disease can not be rationally compared to the seasonal flu. Got it?

If you value drawing a true conclusion you will consider these things rightly.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I am having a math problem too. Cases per million what? Hospitalizations, population of country, identified cases?

It is not population because 50 times 300 would result in 150,000 deaths in US, rather than 22,000+. OTOH, with 500,000 cases, that works out to about 44,000+ deaths per million cases, not 50.

Does anyone understand the graph?

Too many zeroes. 50x300=15,000, but it looks more like 60x325=19,500, so getting closer to the number. It actually is by overall population. Here is a link to another source with some details, explanation.

Coronavirus deaths per million by country 2020 | Statista

 

[rsr]

If of course that is what they actually died from. I contend these numbers are artificially inflated. We already know of cases in hospitals where an individual was not tested but added to the number because they suspect they had it based on symptoms.

If anything, the U.S. totals are undercounted since (at least until today) deaths from Covid-19 were counted only with the presence of a positive test and many had not been tested. This is the exact of opposite of flu deaths, in which pneumonia deaths are routinely lumped into flu deaths.

Not Like the Flu, Not Like Car Crashes, Not Like

 

[Van]

Too many zeroes. 50x300=15,000, but it looks more like 60x325=19,500, so getting closer to the number. It actually is by overall population. Here is a link to another source with some details, explanation.

Coronavirus deaths per million by country 2020 | Statista

Thanks, I was not only confused, I was wrong.

The linked chart, if I did not blow it again, says the number is 79.5 per million national population, which yields about 25000 deaths. Long way from 50 per million.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Thanks, I was not only confused, I was wrong.

The linked chart, if I did not blow it again, says the number is 79.5 per million national population, which yields about 25000 deaths. Long way from 50 per million.

My link shows mostly for the current moment. There may be more data behind the paywall.

For the US, the OP showed up to 43 days from first occurrence. March has 31 days, so today (April 15) would mark day 46. I don’t know the exact total for day 43, but the curve appears to be growing rather smoothly.

The statistic is growing because it is a cumulative total. It would be much more informative to see the curves for how many US deaths per day. If you can count on the reporting behind the stats. Iffy.

First US COVID-19 death Feb 29

April 8 there were 12,895

April 14 there were 22,252

April 15 so far are at 26,064

 

[Revmitchell]

"Covid 19 denier" the propaganda continues

 

[Reformed1689]

If anything, the U.S. totals are undercounted since (at least until today) deaths from Covid-19 were counted only with the presence of a positive test and many had not been tested. This is the exact of opposite of flu deaths, in which pneumonia deaths are routinely lumped into flu deaths.

Not Like the Flu, Not Like Car Crashes, Not Like

Except we already know of cases where soeone was NOT tested for COVID but appeared to have the symptoms and they said to count it in the total.