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The US dollar in bad shape.. the Euro on top.. more signs of Christ return

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by TaliOrlando, Mar 18, 2008.

  1. David Lamb

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    Perhaps you could help me again, Tali. I know of the verse in Revelation that mentions buying, selling and the mark of the beast; it is Revelation 13.17:

    and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    But I am having difficulty finding anything in Revelation that specifically mentions a global currency.

    By the way, the Euro seems to have a very long way to go before it becomes even a pan-European currency, let alone a global one. By no means all of the member states of the EU have gone over to it - the following have not:
    Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Denmark, Sweden and the UK.
    Then there are those countries like Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, etc. that are part of the continent of Europe, but not of the European Union.
     
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  3. David Lamb

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  4. TaliOrlando

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    I am not that good at expressing my opinions in English. This is why maybe I am not being understood properly... I am not saying that Christ return is in 1 day but at the same time we cant say its not in one day. We have to be prepared for Christ return because he is coming like a thief in the night. Its sad that most Christians say.. ohh they have been saying that for 2,000 years.. SO? I will continue to say now because I believe the word of GOD and Jesus is coming soon. We have to be ready for this as believers and continue to seek Christ. I found this article that maybe could explain what I am saying about the EU and the EURO better.. I mean.. I dont know about you but I live in love for Christ daily and I dont get tired of saying that Jesus is coming soon because he is. I praise him daily, I cry before his presence daily, I seek him daily, I dont take anything for granted and I enjoy my relationship with Christ everyday as if it was my last. I am in love with Christ and if I am in love with Christ I will follow him. I am his son and he is my father. As Christians we have to wake up and see all of the crazy things that are happening in this country. All of these things that are happening right now are predicted in the word of GOD. Look at the weather, look at the diseases, look at the sin, look at the abortions, look at the homosexuality, look at the false prophets preaching this prosperity gospel, look around you. I am not saying that it going to happen today or tomorrow but at the same time who are we to say it wont? We cant say it wont either? Only God knows that ? There are so many sings of a One World Government and if we cant see that then we are blind. Thats all I am saying...
     
  5. TaliOrlando

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    PART 1

    Revived Roman Empire
    The European Union is rapidly fulfilling prophecy in becoming the prophesied revived Roman Empire, the final worldly kingdom of human history. According to prophecy, this kingdom will give rise to an ecumenical and apostate religion, a global government, and a global economy. Out of this kingdom will arise the most evil dictator ever known to man — The Beast — Antichrist.

    “And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.” Revelation 17:12-13

    BACKGROUND
    The Prophet Daniel, through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, provides us with very detailed information on the rise and fall of four worldly kingdoms, from the time of his life, until that glorious day when Jesus Christ will return to reign His millennial kingdom on earth. From the Book of Daniel, the four prophesied kingdoms are as follows:

    The Babylonian Empire under Nebuchadnezzar
    The Medo-Persian Empire
    The Macedonian Empire under Alexander The Great
    The Roman Empire
    Daniel tells us that there will be a future revival of the Roman Empire in the area of Europe and parts of the Middle East. This revived Roman Empire, the fourth beast of Daniel’s prophetic vision, is portrayed as the ten toes of the great image in the dream of King Nebuchadnezzar, ruler of Babylonia.

    These scriptures from Daniel reveal the fourth beast, or kingdom, of his vision:

    “After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.” Daniel 7:7-8

    “Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.” Daniel 7:23-24.

    The fourth beast is the revived Roman Empire, and the 10 horns represent the Kings of its member nations. The little horn, speaking great words, rises up and conquers three of those nations and their Kings. The little horn is Antichrist, who will rise to power through the revived Roman Empire. Of the 10 horns, three are subdued, likely because these three will resist the rise to power of Antichrist, and will object to his far-reaching powers. From this kingdom, and the reign of Antichrist, a global system of apostate religion, politics, and economics will come to fruition. Antichrist will temporarily rule over the entire earth during the three and one-half years of the Great Tribulation.

    A GLOBAL ECONOMY
    THE EURO

    On the first of January, 1999, the Euro, and the European Monetary Union (EMU) were born. The Euro became the legal currency in eleven EU nations, in addition to national currencies, but was not expected to go into cash circulation until some time later. These nations were Austria, Belgium, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Spain and Portugal. Greece joined the currency program on January 2, 2001.

    By October, 2001, these twelve member nations required prices to be displayed in both Euros and the national currency. By December of that same year, advanced distribution of Euro notes and coins to the general public began.

    The Euro was used, along with the traditional national currency until the end of February 2002. However, consumers only received change back in Euros. The national currencies were no longer valid for bank accounts or cashless transactions. Travelers in the “Euro zone“ were no longer required to exchange money as they moved from one country to another. Prices were then required to be displayed in Euros only.

    By the fifth year as a cash currency, (January, 2007) the Euro was trading at a rate of about $1.30. The Euro is modeled after the currency system in America. The European Union has a central bank called the European Central Bank, whereas the United States has its Federal Reserve Bank. When the United States ceases to exist as an economic and military power, perhaps through the rapture, the Euro, and its trade paper, will surely take over as the great new economic power of the world.

    A GLOBAL POLITICAL SYSTEM
    The United States of America has been a role model of freedom and prosperity for the entire world. As America began with thirteen colonies, and grew to become a republic encompassing fifty individual states, the European Union has used her example to rapidly become a geopolitical super power, a “United States of Europe,” now encompassing some twenty-seven member nations.

    Of its member nations, ten nations, known as the Western European Union, have a separate and special status as full members, while others only have an associate membership, or observer status. This is significant, prophetically, because the Bible tells us that it will be a 10 nation confederacy that Antichrist and his False Prophet will rule from. However, their days in power are numbered. Jesus Christ, the Lamb, will overcome them.

    “And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.” Revelation 17:12-14.
     
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    PART 2

    AN ECUMENICAL AND APOSTATE RELIGION
    The final form of the revived Roman Empire, in its spiritual birth, will take place after the time of the rapture, the disappearance of all believers in Jesus Christ. The rapture, will create an enormous spiritual vacuum on this planet. As those left behind suffer through the early months of the Tribulation, a great spiritual awakening will occur. This awakening will divide the remaining inhabitants on planet earth. It will bring many into the eternal Kingdom of God, known as the Tribulation Saints. But, it will also serve as the platform for a universal world church, the harlot, who will commit fornication with demonic religions for the sake of religious unity.

    The Beast— Antichrist— and his False Prophet, will at that time claim that Jesus is a lesser deity. This will begin the time of persecution spoken of in Revelation and Daniel for all of the Tribulation Saints. In this time of their fiery trial, many will be martyred for their faith, yet in doing so, gain eternal life in Christ Jesus.

    “And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.” Revelation 6:2.

    “And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?” Revelation 13:3-4.

    If the European Union is the revived Roman Empire that will bring about the rise of Antichrist, then it is important to look at its religious symbolism. According to Revelation, Chapter 17, riding on the beast’s back will be the harlot that represents a global pagan religious system that will unite the world and play a part in the persecution of the tribulation saints.

    “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” Revelation 17:3-5.

    THE WOMAN RIDING THE BEAST
    A demonic biblical symbol from the above scriptures is being used in conjunction with the European Union today. This is where the great harlot is depicted riding a beast. When Britain issued a stamp to commemorate the first European Parliament elections in 1979, the picture on the stamp depicted this symbol.

    According to the Rev. Dr. Ian Paisley, a Northern Ireland Protestant minister and member of the European Parliament, the woman on a beast is now the official picture of the European Union. He points out that the multi-million dollar new parliament building in Brussels, Belgium, contains a dome with a colossal painting, three times life size, of a woman riding a beast.

    In Strasbourg, France, the rival parliamentary building (which contains a large replica of the unfinished Tower of Babel) features a mural of a naked woman riding a beast. Likewise, the new Brussels headquarters of the Council of Europe contains a bronze statue of a woman riding a beast, and the beast is depicted riding on waves, just as described in Revelation 17.

    THE ANTHEM
    The anthem of the European Union, “Ode to Joy,” also contains religious symbolism. This song is the prelude to the last movement of Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony, which has religious implications. European Union publications claim that the anthem really is an “ode to freedom, — to a sense of community and to peace between the countries which have decided to unite, and to others which will freely decide to join them.”

    However, “Ode To Joy” is not quite that innocent. The lyrics, written by Friedrich von Schiller, concern the entering of the shrine of a pagan goddess and the uniting of all men in brotherhood, by the power of magic.

    THE FLAG
    The flag of the European Union consists of twelve stars, inspired by the halo of twelve stars appearing around the Madonna, as depicted in Catholic pictures of her. Leon Marchal, former secretary general of the Council of Europe, confirmed that the stars are representative of “the woman of the Apocalypse.” With great enthusiasm, he explained, “It’s wonderful that we have gotten back to the Introit of the new Mass of the Assumption. It’s the corona stellarum duodecim (the crown of the twelve stars) of the woman of the Apocalypse.” He is referencing the woman in Revelation 12, who appears with a crown of twelve stars. The Bible uses this symbolism to represent Israel. In contrast, the Catholic Church has always claimed that she represents the Virgin Mary, “the mother of God.”

    THE TOWER OF BABEL
    Further evidence of a religious side to the European Union is a poster they issued, showing the tower of Babel, carrying the slogan: “Many tongues, one voice.” Above the Tower of Babel were shown the eurostars, inverted, as in witchcraft, with the central points downwards.

    As if the celebration of the pagan tower that led God to confuse the languages of a defiant people wasn’t enough (Genesis 11:9), a crane in the background is shown rebuilding the tower. Once again, a rebellious people are rebuilding mystery Babylon. As previously mentioned, in a parliament building in Strasbourg, France, you will find an enormous replica of the unfinished tower of Babel, whose significance didn’t even escape the secular press. They have named it “Eurobabel.”

    THE EUROPEAN UNION CONSTITUTION
    The European Union constitution bans the mention of Christianity as part of Europe’s cultural heritage, while at the same time, including references to the civilizations of Greece and Rome, and the philosophical heritage of the Enlightenment. European Union government representatives defend this view of history by claiming any mention of Christian values would upset the Muslim population.

    SUMMARY

    Scripture is being fulfilled before our eyes, for those with eyes to see. The stage is being set for the emergence of a global political system through the European Union, a global economic system with the Euro, and a global religious system. The European Union would seem to fulfill many of the prophesies of the fourth kingdom that is to come, from which will arise the Antichrist of the end-times. Only time will tell, but we are encouraged by Jesus Himself, to watch, and be aware of the signs. We should all be looking up. We may soon be with our Lord.

    “And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.” Luke 21:28.

    SOURCES:
    Daniel, 2: 31-45, Daniel 7: 7, 11, 19-20, 23-24,Revelation 12:3; 13:1; 16:13; 17:3-5, 7, 12, 16; 19:20; 20:10, Ezekiel 38:18-23, Genesis 11:9 & Luke 21:28
     
  7. Crabtownboy

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    One of a number of beliefs that can be backed by scripture, but may or may not be correct. :godisgood:
     
  8. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    TaliOrlando,

    Could you give us a source for your post, or is this your own work?

    If we want to start looking at pagan symbology, maybe we should start with the good ole USA and her currency, plethora of statues to pagan gods, and a Constitution that leaves God out.

    BTW, there is no EU Constitution, the people keep voting no :).

    BTW #2 - euro is not capitalised, any more than dollar is.
     
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    There are more than ten full member countries, so I guess you need to find another 10 nation confederacy.

    Full Member Countries
    Austria
    Belgium
    Bulgaria
    Cyprus
    Czech Republic
    Denmark
    Estonia
    Finland
    France
    Germany
    Greece
    Hungary
    Ireland
    Italy
    Latvia
    Lithuania
    Luxembourg
    Malta
    The Netherlands
    Poland
    Portugal
    Romania
    Slovakia
    Slovenia
    Spain
    Sweden
    United Kingdom
     
  10. Ed Edwards

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    here:

    http://www.raptureready.com/abc/Roman_Empire.html

    In general RR (raptureready) over looks the fact that Matthew 24:4-14 is signs that the Times of the Gentiles (Church Age, Age of Grace, Gentile Age) continues. Matthew 24:4-14 is NOT signs that the Lord will return soon to whip antichrist & the bad guys (those are found in Matthew 24:15-30). There are no signs of the pretribulation rapture event. Well, there is a sign that pretribulation rapture event is coming soon: the date is later than it has ever been before.
     
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