The use of Nekros in Ephesians 2:1

Problem: The word Spirit-pneuma is not used in Ephesians 2:1.

HankD

 

Can you provide chapter and verse for this statement?

HankD

 

Why would it need to be. The context of Ephesians 1 as it connects to Ephesians 2 provides this understanding.

 

I don't know, Maybe because you are adding Characteristics to the spirit that the scriptures do not speak on.

 

I'm going to say my communication skills are failing me (although JonC seems to be picking up what i'm putting down )

Paul doesn't use an analogy. He states the condition that we are in, Dead to God. *WE* (People in this thread and another thread) have been comparing a physically dead person with a Spiritually dead person and ascribing similarities..."A corpse cannot reach for a life preserver". A dead man "cannot hear". A Dead man "Cannot walk", etc. TRUE, a physically dead person cannot do any of those things. But what can a Spiritually dead person do? What can he not do? You guys invented the analogy AND You guys have taken the analogy too far in that you have not stuck with how the Bible characterizes a SPIRITUALLY dead person.

I might even go as far as to say Paul wasn't giving an analogy at all, YOU guys are. Paul was relaying spiritual information about what it means to be spiritually dead. You are adding to the intended meaning of the text when you say things like "Dead men cannot reach for a life preserver."

Sorry..i reposted so i can quote MennoSota's post

 

Do sinners have the means to understand the bible and to realize they are in need of saving and Jesus can save them in their own condition?

 

Many Christians don't even understand the Bible. Is understanding the bible a condition for salvation?

secondly, Does God reveal to sinners their need for a savior?

 

The sinner apart from the life giving Holy Spirit cannot do ANYTHING to save themselves, is that not a definition of being dead?

 

The Holy Spirittakes the scriptures and reveals to the sinner thru that he needs salvation, he canjnt do anything to save themselves, and jesus is the one that saves!

 

How so?

 

Where does the text say "Dead to God?" The text says "You were dead in your trespasses and sins."

How does the Bible characterize a spiritually dead person, in your opinion (scriptural references welcome)?

 

And a few posts back I showed you that you are wrong. I explained the connection throughout the passage.

You seem stuck in a physical dimension.

 

Amen.

 

"Dead in trespasses and sins"...you know what i meant (God would only know if you are spiritually dead or alive).

I already mentioned some...in Context Eph. 2

We were "Children of Wrath"
"Enemies of God"
"Without Hope"
"Without God"
"Alienated from the Common Wealth of Israel and the promises"

-Spiritually dead

This is all the same Chapter, context.

Would you like to add some?

 

Here's the passage. Are you saying that Paul is making an analogy? Is a man's spirit dead or alive outside of Christ?

Ephesians 1:18-23
[18]I pray that your hearts will be flooded with light so that you can understand the confident hope he has given to those he called—his holy people who are his rich and glorious inheritance.
[19]I also pray that you will understand the incredible greatness of God’s power for us who believe him. This is the same mighty power
[20]that raised Christ from the dead and seated him in the place of honor at God’s right hand in the heavenly realms.
[21]Now he is far above any ruler or authority or power or leader or anything else—not only in this world but also in the world to come.
[22]God has put all things under the authority of Christ and has made him head over all things for the benefit of the church.
[23]And the church is his body; it is made full and complete by Christ, who fills all things everywhere with himself.
Ephesians 2:1-10
[1]Once you were dead because of your disobedience and your many sins.
[2]You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God.
[3]All of us used to live that way, following the passionate desires and inclinations of our sinful nature. By our very nature we were subject to God’s anger, just like everyone else.
[4]But God is so rich in mercy, and he loved us so much,
[5]that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead. (It is only by God’s grace that you have been saved!)
[6]For he raised us from the dead along with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ Jesus.
[7]So God can point to us in all future ages as examples of the incredible wealth of his grace and kindness toward us, as shown in all he has done for us who are united with Christ Jesus.
[8]God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God.
[9]Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.
[10]For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago.

 

Zero analogy, You made the analogy by saying "A dead man cannot reach for a life preserver."(You compared spiritually dead and physically dead) Paul is talking reality. You are not.