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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Enoch, Jul 11, 2005.

  1. Enoch

    Enoch New Member

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    Does anyone have a link to the articles by Joseph Wilson or that of Robert Novak?

    Did Joseph Wilson have a motive/agenda?

    Was he sent by the CIA or did operate on his own authority or that of his wife.

    What was her position? Did she have authority to send him to Africa?

    Did Valerie Plame-Wilson have a motive/agenda?
     
  2. ASLANSPAL

    ASLANSPAL New Member

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    The Washington Post has a long article today that
    provides a lot of links liberal to conservative.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/07/11/BL2005071100701.html

    On Fox News's Fox and Friends this morning, Kelly Wright reported: "Amid the difficult task of choosing a candidate for the Supreme Court and waging the war on terror, the White House is also dealing with a report about top White House adviser Karl Rove."

    But, he concluded: "Bottom line here, guys, when you read between the lines, Karl Rove never mentioned anyone's name. "

    Steve Doocy had a follow-up question: "Kelly, did I hear you right? Matthew Cooper wrote that the information that he had received was on double supersecret background ?

    Wright: "That's right. According to this report that we're getting. . . .

    Doocy: "Well, it must not be too double supersecret because we know about it now!"

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    btw nice talking point questions perfect for
    changing the subject ..did you make those up
    or did someone provide them. ;)
     
  3. Enoch

    Enoch New Member

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    Nice answer to my valid questions. :rolleyes:


    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162161,00.html

    Former CIA Director Tenet and Vice President Cheney did not authorize Wilson's trip.
     
  4. ASLANSPAL

    ASLANSPAL New Member

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    Tons of links to in the Washington Post story and
    that is what I said.


    Wow a woman from the CIA can overrule the President,Vice President,Colin Powell, and George
    Tenet..how can that be!

    You are making a case for even more bush administration incompetence.
     
  5. OldRegular

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    It now appears that Wilson was sent to Africa by his wife, Valerie Plame-Wilson, and that both had a motive or agenda counter to the best interests of both the Administration and the country.

    I assume that people on this Forum are sufficiently intelligent to understand that every trip taken or authorized by a government official does not merit the personal approval of the President, Vice President, Colin Powell, George Tenet, or etc., etc., etc.
     
  6. Pastor Larry

    Pastor Larry <b>Moderator</b>

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    Come on, OR, you have been here long enough to know better. And in case you had forgotten, all you needed to do was read the post immediately above yours to see it is action.
     
  7. church mouse guy

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    Wilson is a phoney. He claims to have been a Republican once--yeah, right, that's what they all say. Not only that but he dropped the ball in Africa. It turns out that he is a Democrat activist and not adverse to doublecrossing the people who hired him if he thinks that it is for his own personal gain to doublecross them. His wife work in the section on weapons of mass destruction. She is probably the one who said that Saddam had them.
     
  8. Sonjeo

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    I does not matter whether the Wilson's had certain leanings politically or not, almost every one does. It does not matter whether they like this or liked that. What matters is whether Rove revealed the identity of an undercover CIA agent and to try to undercut the Wilson's in some way is an attempt to distract and try to soften the wrongness of what Rove or others in the Bush administration have done and it is unethical. Like it or not the news hitting the air now is about Rove's conduct.
     
  9. Pastor Larry

    Pastor Larry <b>Moderator</b>

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    But the facts of the case as they now appear, unvarnished, indicate that Rove has likely done nothign wrong. He apparently did not leak a name of a covert operator, and did not do so knowingly. He apparently corrected a story and told a reporter where he might find additional information. Are you against the truth? Would you rather have Wilson's lies (and they have been proven lies) go uncorrected? Are you so antagonistic towards Bush that you will defend lies?
     
  10. OldRegular

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    According to Fox News Wilson outed his wife on his own web site!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
     
  11. Baptist in Richmond

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    Either you are forgetting where Joseph Wilson was during the first Gulf War, or you are making a deliberate effort to omit that fact. Wilson served under George H.W. Bush as well as Bill Clinton. Please dispense with these conspiracy theories that he is some sort of "Democrat activist." Come on, CMG: I still think you're better than that.

    This is foolishness. Please provide us with some evidence to support such a claim. Otherwise, don't make disparaging comments about someone who served our country. Whether or not you agree/agreed with her politics, she is one of the "good guys" in the War on Terror.

    Like I said, I still think you're better than this, CMG.

    Regards,
    BiR
     
  12. Baptist in Richmond

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    In that order:

    Wilson's article:
    http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0706-02.htm

    The despicable article by Novak:
    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20030714.shtml

    Not sure, but the person who "outed" his wife certainly did.

    According to Wilson, he was acting on behalf of the government.

    According to some in this discussion, she was apparently nothing more than some sort of operative. Thus, outing her is not a crime.
    And yet, now I am reading that she could be the one who sent him to Africa. Hmmmm......

    No, but the person who "outed" her certainly did.

    Regards,
    BiR
     
  13. Enoch

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    Joseph Wilson NYT
    Published on Sunday, July 6, 2003
    http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0706-02.htm

    Mission to Niger
    Robert Novak July 14, 2003
    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20030714.shtml

    The CIA leak
    Robert Novak October 1, 2003
    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20031001.shtml
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162227,00.html

     
  14. Enoch

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    Thank you BiR I just read your post. And thank you for specifically answering each question. [​IMG]
     
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    carpro Well-Known Member

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    I'm working from memory here, but wasn't Wilson's "investigation" thouroughly discredited by the 911 commission?
     
  16. KenH

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    Yep. Apparently the anti-Bush liberals will strike out once again.

    If it weren't for bad luck the anti-Bush liberals would have no luck at all.
     
  17. Baptist in Richmond

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    Once again, Ken, you have shown your passion for assigning labels.
     
  18. Baptist in Richmond

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    Oh, really?
    Perhaps you can find that yellowcake uranium for us, carpro. That, of course, would be the easiest way to discredit Wilson.
     
  19. ASLANSPAL

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    In bush state of the union in which he mentioned
    the uranium coming out of Africa..wilson was
    actually trying to save bushs bacon but bush
    took it the wrong way...the Wilson angle will
    not work, this is about rove...on a potential
    illegality, political revenge on truth tellers,
    and also about moral deceptions on the part of
    rove. The President even said he would fire those
    involved in leaking...the President should be held to account and on moral grounds fire rove.

    People are trying so hard to save their boy
    who has taken on the demon of the old Lee Atwater
    he should listen to the repentant Lee Atwater
    on his death bed and repent from the politics
    of divide at all costs.
     
  20. KenH

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    I am starting to have a sneaking suspicion that the "outer" could very well have been a reporter. Maybe we'll know who the "outer" was one day, or maybe not.
     
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