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The Year the Dreams Died

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Revmitchell, Dec 28, 2012.

  1. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    Feb 18, 2006
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    Barack Obama in 2008 won an election on an upbeat message of change amid hopes that the first black president would mark a redemptive moment in American history. Four years later, the fantasies are gone. In continuing dismal economic times, Obama ran for reelection neither on his first-term achievements — Obamacare, bailouts, financial stimuli, and Keynesian mega-deficits — nor on more utopian promises.

    Instead, Obama’s campaign systematically reduced his rival, Wall Street financier Mitt Romney, to a conniving, felonious financial pirate who did dastardly things, from letting the uninsured die to putting his pet dog Seamus in a cage on top of the family car.

    Obama once had mused that he wished to be the mirror image of Ronald Reagan — successfully coaxing America to the left as the folksy Reagan had to the right. Instead, 2012 taught us that a calculating Obama is more a canny Richard Nixon, who likewise used any means necessary to be reelected on the premise that his rival would be even worse. But we know what eventually happened to the triumphant, pre-Watergate Nixon after November 1972; what will be the second-term wages of Obama’s winning ugly?

  2. saturneptune

    saturneptune New Member

    Jan 16, 2006
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    Many, but not all second terms of President's do not seem to work out well. Lyndon Johnson, although not a complete first term, his second term was plagued by Vietnam, riots, and the economy. He declined to run for a full second term. Richard Nixon carried 49 states in 1972, and resigned a year and a half later. Reagan's second term was diminished by Iran Contra. Clinton's second term brought impeachment. Bush's second term brought an economic collapse.

    It is hard to predict this President's second term, but the elements are certainly there for disaster.
  3. Oldtimer

    Oldtimer New Member

    Dec 6, 2011
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    The year the dream died.

    Yesterday, for the first time in 16 years, our financial advisor urged me to move my IRA into the safest harbor that he could find. Better half and I aren't rich by any means. We do have a little in retirement funds, some of which has always been in a safe harbor. Over the years, our advisor has urged that a portion be kept in moderate risk because of the growth potential that risk offered. (And, BTW, offers more income to investment advisors, as well.)

    That, by itself, is a strong indicator that the dream has died and we are waiting for the funeral.
  4. LadyEagle

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    Feb 7, 2002
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    In my opinion, America committed suicide in 2008 and the grave dug in November 2012. Now we are into the shoveling dirt onto the casket from here on out. No flowers. Just taps.
  5. Zaac

    Zaac Well-Known Member

    Jun 12, 2012
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    :laugh: That paints a very vivid picture.

    And economically, though I would rather the country not be in its current position, it's a non-issue in comparison to eternity.

    How about God's people stop and amend the doom and gloom picture of THIS WORLD and ITS MONEY with the ETERNAL HOPE OF JESUS and the KINGDOM To COME?

    We focus on this world and its stuff too much. The United States is going into the toilet. Does it really matter when you know what God says has to happen?

    Why not just keep our eyes pointed towards His throne and recognize that this is becoming exactly what He said it would and it HAS to fail at some point. Why NOT now?

    Does the economic policies of a President and Congress really amount to a hill of beans in comparison to the failings of the Church?

    They are acting the way they are supposed to.

    But it is the Church's repentance and turning back to God that can pull the country out of this downward spiral. The problem is that it won't happen. As there are more liberal voters than conservative voters, there are more people in the Church concerned about their money and stuff( houses, 401ks, retirement, their bank accounts, what they can leave to their kids and grandkids) than there are concerned about the things of God.

    If the CHURCH repented and started making as much of GOD as we do about a President and a floundering economy, the economy would take care of itself.:thumbs:
  6. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

    Mar 30, 2004
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    What a load of baloney. :laugh:

    The very idea that Obama is calculating or cunning is just laughable.

    The man is nothing more than a product we've been sold. He's a sock puppet to the corporate elite who manufactured him, packaged him, heavily advertized him and sold us on him.

    I liken this last "election" if we can call it that to the cola wars. Buy Coca Cola it's the real thing, buy Pepsi Cola it's more refreshing. Why is it so hard to understand this? If these huge corporations will spend millions upon millions just to sell us a sugary soft drink, why wouldn't they do the same and more to sell us a president?

    Obama is a product manufactured and sold the same as any other. A can of Coca Cola isn't cunning or calculating. The people selling it to us are the ones that are cunning and calculating.
  7. blackbird

    blackbird Administrator

    Feb 21, 2002
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    Except I would liken it----not to a can of soda---but to a pack of cigarettes-----and the general public has learned to like the political nicotine!!! The political nicotine won't let them vote for anyone else except from whom they get the nicotine from!!:BangHead: