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They're not the Choir!

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Gina B, Feb 4, 2014.

  1. Gina B

    Gina B Active Member

    Dec 30, 2000
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    Another thread got me thinking about this.

    I've been in a number of churches across the country and noticed how many times, a pastor tends to feel safe preaching on a particular topic, seeming to think he is "preaching to the choir" and getting a lot of amens, lots of agreement, coming down harsh on one particular sin, without having to worry about preaching the truth in love because it's not really an issue in that particular church.

    For example, if I sit in a church and listen to a sermon on drug addiction while in a large church central Los Angeles, I'm likely to hear a pastor speak the truth in love. If I'm sitting in a small country type church in Indiana, I'm more likely to hear about those "dirty rotten sinners."

    The same is true of other issues. I've watched women cringe in shame and fight back tears as pastors railed against abortion, men bite their lips, and other yelling out their amens and agreements while the people in pain sat there in shock.

    Every church, every work place, always seems to think there is at least on problem that nobody in that particular place suffers from. I doubt that. If they don't now, they did or will, so long as humans continue to be humans.

    It's not that people don't know the difference between right and wrong, it's the way it's presented. The way people get lambasted and certain sins taken out and beat on, those who commit them held out as examples of just what is wrong with our world today, so often without the additional discussion on forgiveness. Love. Where to get help. Where to get support if you have been forgiven but haven't healed.

    And this isn't meant to bash pastors, because there are also many that don't do this, but to say to those that do...you are NOT preaching to the choir. There are always going to be people in your congregation that have been touched by these issues, whether it was them, or a family member, or whether it will happen in their future or their children's future, and if they can't trust that they can come to you or someone else in the church because they believe they will be met with a violent level of unforgiveness, where will they turn? Who will they go to for support? Who will they trust? What does that teach them, but that their church family isn't who they can turn to?

    Those are my thoughts today. Brought up by the thread, which got me thinking about a sweet lady I talked to some years ago, who sat for years feeling guilty about an issue in her life. Listened to it being railed against, never felt strong enough to admit it. After we talked, I've been so proud of her. She actually started a ministry.

    And sometimes that is all it takes. To have someone let you know you're not pond scum. To walk you through forgiveness instead of constantly walking around feeling like you deserve being lashed. And taking that lashing from the pulpit and that scorn from everyone sitting around you.

    People know what sin is. They need to learn about forgiveness. Why give them hell when you can offer them Christ and His healing?
  2. quantumfaith

    quantumfaith Active Member

    Jan 26, 2010
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  3. Archie the Preacher

    Jan 8, 2005
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    Sin and Forgiveness

    As I recall, Jesus never preached and talked to 'this' group of people about the sins of 'that' group. Jesus always addressed the problems - and sin - of the people to whom He was speaking.

    One of my pet peeves is a speaker who will rail on about 'those sins of those people over yonder' and leave the audience in attendance comfortable in their own sin. (I hope that comes out clear.) Not that every person needs to leave feeling like sheep-killing dog, but no one - NO ONE - should be comfortable in their sin. (And we all have them.)

    At the same time, most of 'them sinners' know they have a problem. Women who have had abortions (and their partner in the act - one does not get pregnant alone) typically remember the event and the sin. Drunks are pretty aware of a 'failing' in their life. So, oftentimes the sinner need not have their nose rubbed in it. They need to know sin has to be fixed, and there is a way to have it fixed; and freedom from guilt - love from God.

    And sometimes the 'comfortable' need to be reminded they ought not be so comfortable.

    But the point is to bring all into Christ's atonement and forgiveness. (Not to make one's self derive a false sense of righteousness from pointing at others.)