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Featured This Is How a Prisoner of War Feels About Torture

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Crabtownboy, Dec 11, 2014.

  1. Crabtownboy

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    I have shown you and you will not accept the truth.

    No, I won't try again as yous will simply refuse to accept the truth no matter how often you are shown.
     
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    You don't even know what my "stance" is.

    You called me a liar because I said you support those that kill babies. When did you stop defending Obama? Was it before or after you voted for him twice?

    I know you say you are against abortion. It is you, sir, that is the liar. By supporting those that are in favor of, and work to facillitate the murder of the innocent, you agree to what they do.

    Learn to read and stop lying to yourself. We are used to you lying to us.
     
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    Another lie. You never gave any proof.

    How do you justify the lies you have told with the teachings of Christ ? I asked a question.
     
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    The truth is nobody knows how Jesus feels about torture. His ways are not our ways. The only time he addressed it is when he told us not to fear it, the he would be with us, should we face it. Anybody who says different is adding to scripture. That goes for both sides of the issue.
     
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    Not only does he support politicians that support slaughtering unborn children by the vilest of means but he supports the organizations that actually perform the slaughtering.
     
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    There is no correlation between what McCain suffered and anything like what the CIA report reveals.
    To equivocate what McCain suffered to the enhanced interrogation techniques used by the CIA is to compare apples to space-ships....
    The CIA's techniques are Bush-league compared to real and genuine torture.

    Torture is thumb-screws, hanging people up by their thumbs and beating their feet with rods, shoving bamboo shoots underneath fingernails.

    The CIA scared a phobic guy with a harmless caterpillar........yes, an insect....they scared the poor darling with a bug.
    The CIA threatened people with horrific things (none of which occured).
    The CIA administered unnecessary but other-wise harmless bona-fide force-feeding medical procedures (under the scrutiny of trained medical supervision).........
    once to a guy who was actually on a hunger strike.<---that's saving a man's life. All U.S. prisons will force-feed someone who refuses food or water.
    They gave another poor guy 1,500 calories worth of a tasteless and bland (but nutritionally sound) meal ration. THE NERVE!
    The CIA administered "insult slaps" (harmless love-taps) designed to wound pride and "face-grabs" (what your mother did when you were petulant and refused to listen to her).

    Yes, these and other unspeakable horrors were inflicted upon these poor victims. (With medical personnel on site to ensure no genuine threat to their health)

    McCain can't move his arms higher than his shoulder blades....and is permanently broken for life.
    Because he was actually tortured.
    For the most part, the CIA hurt these murderers' feelings and wounded their pride....made them uncomfortable and caused no lasting physical harm whatsoever.

    It is generally true that actual torture doesn't tend to yield good intelligence, but what the CIA got was very good intelligence and lots of it.
    It received intelligence which saved lives, and lots of them.
    How can that possibly be if torture doesn't work???????

    Glad you asked:

    That's because what the CIA performed was designed to psychologically break them down (what they called "enhanced interrogation techniques")
    not generate horrendous physical suffering and inflict physical pain (classically called "torture").

    What the CIA got WAS very effective. Those terrorists were singing like a bird.
    That's because what the CIA did wasn't torture in any classically meaningful sense.

    Torture is wrong....always wrong. Also it's of limited effectiveness.

    But the CIA didn't torture anybody. The premise is all wrong on it's face....and makes McCain's rants sound stupid and self-aggrandizing....Time for him to go out to pasture.
     
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    Would you care to address the man that died on the floor by freezing to death? Would you care to address the sexual assault listed in the report? Would you care to address the kidnapping of a mentally challenged family member of a suspected terrorist for leverage? Would you like to address the fact that 26 out of 113 people were held without a real reason.

    Torture is torture regardless of whether it was of the same level as the Hanoi Hilton. The CIA said it was effective but we have no idea what actionable intelligence was recovered.
     
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    That's what it boils down to - you want to be informed of classified info....
     
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    No, I don't want access to classified info. I'm just saying that taking the CIA's word on it makes me skeptical considering how far they have gone to undermine this thing. They are under fire so of course they are going to say it's effective. I just question their credibility considering their attempt to hack into the committees computers and delete files.
     
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    Correct. Of course, all tautologies are correct by default. Such as:
    A is A
    A is not...not A
    A ball is a ball
    A dog is a dog
    A non-dog is not a dog,
    A dog is not a non-dog.
    Torture is torture
    (and other brilliant observations)
    Which is the sum total of what this statement of yours means....
    "Torture is torture"....

    And I reject all torture as immoral.

    The CIA does not torture.
    The United States does not torture.

    I reject your premise totally.....

    When you understand my post and choose to "address" it

    I will condescend to respond to your pet scenarios....(which are irrelevant)
    This is the summation of my argument:
     
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    You ignored about 90% of my post to make your point as well as 90% of the intelligence committee report it would seem. All you have done is quibble on your self created narrow definition of the word torture. (yes, even in the classic sense)

    Listed in the report were also the examples I challenged you with which you conveniently chose to ignore in your response to me. I guess they didn't confirm to you "classical" definition of the term torture.

    All you did was cherry pick the examples and try your absolute best to minimalize the situation and marginalize what happened to these people.

    Man, the hatchet job on McCain has sure taken off.
     
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    Wow, my internet access goes down for 7 hours and this place explodes!
     
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    Seven hours! Are you OK? :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    I gotta go bring in the search party. Be right back.
     
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    They're probably cold, by now.:thumbsup:
     
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