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Those Objecting to God Imputing Righteousness

Discussion in 'Other Discussions' started by KenH, Dec 14, 2021.

  1. Yeshua1

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    If you deny Pauline Justification, you MUST then be teaching salvation by own works and efforts!
     
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    God gives saving faith towards us, so why would we receive any credit?
     
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    You deny both Isaiah and pail that none seek after the lord then, on their own?
     
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    How many times is this bogus claim going to be allowed? Does this verse say that is none who ever seeks after God? Nope
    The people of Matthew 23:13 were entering the kingdom but not seeking God according to this Calvinist claim. Hogwash
     
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    Because the Bible tells me so. Romans 4:4-5, 23-24
     
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    ' "for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men": not eternal life and happiness, the entrance into which can neither be opened nor shut by men: those whom God determines to bring thither, shall have an entrance abundantly ministered to them, in spite of the opposition of men and devils; though these men did all that in them lay, to hinder persons enjoying everlasting glory. ' - John Gill, Gill's Bible Commentary
     
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    Why post obvious falsehood, the people of Matthew 23:13 were "entering" the kingdom but we prevented from going in by false teachers. That is biblical truth, your claim parroting John Gill, is unbiblical hogwash.

    Note that all the passages warning us to beware of false teachers are nullified by this false claim. Basically Calvinism rewrites a great deal of the New Testament.
     
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    When God purposes to save a person, that person will be saved. Period. God is sovereign...all the time.
     
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    If anyone actually believes Y1 has the slightest idea about "Pauline Justification" they are off the rails.
     
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    Again and again the wording is changed to hide the truth. Did anyone say salvation did not occur when God purposed salvation to occur? Nope. On and on folks, obfuscation after obfuscation.

    Did the Calvinist post in effect people could not be entering the kingdom, when Jesus explicitly said they were? You bet!!

    Does scripture say anyone actually enters the kingdom by their will or works? Nope.

    But people entering certainly are seeking God, therefore "none who seek after God" refers to the fact we have all turned aside and therefore were not seeking God when sinning. However, at other times, such as Matthew 23:13 people do seek God.
     
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    Did the Calvinist post in effect people could not be entering the kingdom, when Jesus explicitly said they were? You bet!! See post # 106.
     
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