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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Revmitchell, May 16, 2018.

  1. SovereignGrace

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    And who are those who call on the Lord?
     
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    Those that Believe :)
     
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    Okay, who are those who believe as they call on the Lord?
     
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    And who will call on the Lord?
     
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    And who will believe. (Do you see that you have gone around in a circle? Your responses are a perfect example of circular reasoning.)
     
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    I do not know who will believe, that's why I share the gospel with everyone possible :)
     
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    We don't know who the who's are either, so we, too, preach, teach, witness to everyone we can.
     
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    Amen--great ministry philosophy!
     
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    I am sure you know that is dodging the question. The question is "who will believe?" What causes them to believe? Why does one person believe and another does not?
     
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    Yes, and those would br shown by them doing that to be the very elect of God...
     
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    Those to whom intended to have the Grace of God applied towards, those whom the death of jesus actually paid and atoned for their sin debt!
     
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    Rick Patrick is rabidly anti Calvinists. I don't believe a word he says.
     
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    Ummmm, no!

    John 6:44 King James Version (KJV)

    44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.



    Romans 9:14-24 King James Version (KJV)

    14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

    15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

    16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

    17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

    18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

    19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

    20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

    21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

    22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

    23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

    24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
     
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    Yes.

    Once again:

    John 6:44 King James Version (KJV)

    44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.



    Romans 9:14-24 King James Version (KJV)

    14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

    15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

    16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

    17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

    18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

    19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

    20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

    21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

    22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

    23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

    24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

    There you have it. God shows mercy to whom He will show mercy and will harden others. That's what the Bible says.
     
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    In the last day, that great of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) John 7:37-39

    Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: from John 16:13

    But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 2 Thes 2:13

    And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Rev 22:17

    Who, will believe?

    Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. Acts 15:14
    “So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, Acts 15:8 NKJV


    Not to give all of them but to take out of them.
     
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