Trash Talk

I understand your sentiment. However you are comparing two world that cannot honestly be compared. The world of Jesus, ruled by Rome and the society he lived in were so different from ours that they cannot be accurately compared in this way.

As I have said in other posts, if the church were doing its job then the government programs you are speaking of would not be needed.

If a government will not care for its needy then it looses much of its credibility as a caring government IMHO.

 

Emphasis mine

Unless you've been a lurker for a couple of years, the above explains your attitude re: Crabby:thumbs:

 

So really, this is not about following Jesus, since his words are not applicable to today. This is about a political opinion you seek to make spiritually acceptable by bringing in the name of Jesus.

 

I think you know better than that. Yes, we as individuals are responsible for others. See the last judgement in Matthew. But, what is good for individuals is also good for government. After all government, especially a democracy, is made up of individuals. We are not to live split lives. And I am saying that actions of our government, as they do involve individuals is both political and spiritual.

When confronted by a person in need Jesus did not ask,


"Are you politically correct?" i.e. Zacchaeus

"Are you morally pure?" i.e. the woman at the well.

"Are you sinless?" i.e. the woman taken in adultery.

He met their need and, yes, when ask he gave advice; i.e. the rich young ruler for example.

I would much rather our government forgo a few jet fighters or a few tanks and use that money to help people. I do not see anywhere that Jesus praises Rome for their military and their expenditures on controlling Israel or other countries.

Yes, we need the military as a defense. But do we need to outspend the next ten or so countries combined? I don't think so. Remember Eisenhower's warning about the military-industrial complex?

Also, do you agree if churches were doing their job there would not be a need for such large governmental programs?

 

No, actually i don't know better than that. I only have what you said about following Jesus. Yet according to your own statement, Jesus' words don't apply because of how different the world is.

All your pios questions for Zacheus and the women at the well or taken in adultery are about what we as individuals do, not about what a gov't does. National defense is a logical reason for a national government.

Churches help people. But there are biblical principles about who they should help. If a person refuses to eat, Paul says that they shouldn't get food to eat. Your way rewrds the lazy. God's rewards those who are working. Paul tells the people at Galatia that if a widow needs help it is up to he family to help and not the church.

Your way makes government the source of all good things. That's not what the gov't is for.

And I am going to bow out of this. You are not going to agree and I am certainly not going to agree with your left wing agenda.

 

It has never been put to better words.

Amen, Tom. Amen.

 

Another point, C.T.Boy has been telling us what the Bible says isn't true for so long, I doubt he even knows what the Church's job is.

He'll probably answer this as soon as he answers the questions pointed to him in his disgusting "Romney profited off abortion" thread.