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TRUMP BREAKS GUATEMALA: Central American Nation Reverses Course On Asylum Agreement

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    President Donald Trump said on Friday that his administration has reached an agreement with Guatemala to restrict asylum application to the United States from nations south of the U.S. border.

    "The so-called 'safe third country' agreement would require migrants, including Salvadorans and Hondurans, who cross into Guatemala on their way to the U.S. to apply for protections in Guatemala instead of at the U.S. border," The Associated Press reported. "It could potentially ease the crush of migrants overwhelming the U.S. immigration system and hand Trump a concession he could herald as a win."

    TRUMP BREAKS GUATEMALA: Central American Nation Reverses Course On Asylum Agreement
     
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    When you keep you promises instead of issuing empty threats, people get in line.
     
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    Isn't it international law that you must apply in the first country you enter after leaving your country. People only come here for high welfare.
     
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    What do you mean by high welfare? Many families come to the US to escape violence of central America. They would be leaving one violent nation for a slightly less violent nation. Mexico is plagued by violence due to the power of drug cartels thanks to American consumers.

    We are the cause of their problems as we fund the cartels with the drug money. Without gun registration, guns cannot be tracked to the original buyers when they are smuggled across our border. We pump these countries with cartel money and guns and act like its not our problem.
     
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    So you do not want to enforce international law so that more illegal aliens can vote Democrat in the next elections? We are not the cause of the problems in Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador, or even Costa Rica.

    Nor are we the cause of the problems in Mexico where only rich whites can be elected President since the Revolution of 100 years ago. Mexico is as corrupt as California and always has been.

    What is it about high welfare that you don't understand? What makes you think that your socialistic ideas have ever worked anywhere in the world?
     
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    The naturalization of immigrants pertains to federal law, not international law. Illegal aliens and resident aliens, and those on tourist visas cannot vote in elections.

    The issues that cause people to flee those countries are due to the drug cartels created by America's failed drug and gun policies.

    Mexican presidents generally identify as Mestizo, a mixture of white and indigenous, as most Mexicans do.

    I am asking you what is "high welfare."

    What socialist ideas are those?

    I think you are rambling in a manner that is incoherent. If you do a google search for "high welfare" you will find internet pages about the meat industry.
     
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    International law says that an illegal alien has to ask for asylum in the first country that he enters, which would be Mexico and Mexico has said that they will grant asylum to the illegals.

    Mexican presidents are pure Spanish so I don't know where you get your claim of mestizos.

    The catastrophe in Latin America is not the doing of the USA. I think that you are calling for Yankee Imperialism possibly based upon white supremacy. The days of the USA telling Latin America what to do have been over for a long time. Trump is correct in building the wall in order to keep money and guns from flowing south of the border and overthrowing the Mexican government. Meanwhile, we are trying to stop the human trafficking, especially of Latino children into the depravity of American elites, and the flow of drugs, and the expelling of the criminal population to the north to consume our overly generous welfare system as the Muslims have done in the UK, Germany, and even France.
     
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    That has nothing to do with what you wrote: "So you do not want to enforce international law so that more illegal aliens can vote Democrat in the next elections? We are not the cause of the problems in Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador, or even Costa Rica."

    The naturalization of immigrants pertains to federal law, not international law. Illegal aliens and resident aliens, and those on tourist visas cannot vote in elections.

    No, they are not. There is no such thing a "pure Spanish." Spain is made up of multiple ethnic groups. Mexican Presidents are not "pure Spanish." You are writing absolute nonsense.

    That makes no sense.
     
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    Well, you go tell the Mexican Presidents what race they are, okay? You may become king of Latin America. For the third time, when a person enters Mexico from another country, that person cannot legally pass through on the way to a country that offers higher welfare benefits but must apply for asylum in the first country that he enters. You want to use the US military to dictate policy to Latin America and to revive Yankee Imperialism. The GOP wants to build a wall to keep the cash and guns out of Mexico, which is better for them.
     
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    It is not our problem and ask Obama and his DOJ about gun smuggling. They new about every weapon they intentionally put out there and still lost them. It has come back to bite them in the south end.
     
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    I suggest you start reading the WSJ at your local public library. In it you will find articles like The Guatemalan City Fueling the Migrant Exodus to America from July 21, 2019. Sorry about the paywall on the link. The article is in the print edition.
     
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    I am a big advocate of gun ownership. The problem is that the US does not have responsible ownership - anyone can get a gun. If someone has a felony, all the need to do is find someone willing to buy their gun for them.
    This is a deliberate policy so that gun makers can essentially sell guns to cartels in other countries. There is no way to prosecute Americans because there is no way to tracing those guns.

    It is our problem because drug cartels have become stronger in the United States. If your neighborhood is on fire and you sit on your porch telling yourself it's not my problem, you are going to end up burned too.
     
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    From Fleeing for Our Lives: Central American Migrant Crisis

    Migration from Central America to the U.S. is not a new phenomenon, however the reasons, or push factors that are causing people to migrate or flee have changed. The Northern Triangle of Central America (“NTCA”), composed of El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras, is considered one of the most dangerous places on earth, which has caused unprecedented levels of migration. The United Nations High Commissioner for refugees has called this a humanitarian crisis. Many Central Americans are refugees who like Syrians, are fleeing for their lives.
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    What sets this crisis apart from others around the world?

    While the violence occurring within the Northern Triangle is indisputable, the legal classification of migrants from the region sits within an area of ambiguity within international law as the violence in NTCA is not classified as a state/interstate conflict. All the while, research show that migrants are identifying key indicators that suggest they are in need of international protection. For example, 82% of women indicated that if returned to their home country they would likely face torture or persecution (UNHCR).

    As a result of this, the US government has announced an expansion of the current refugee resettlement program for migrants fleeing from NTCA. This expansion is a definitive step in the right direction, but it is a far cry from the measures that need to be taken internationally towards resettling those displaced.

    For more information on lack of human rights protections in the Northern Triangle, associated migratory flows, and the current state of immigration systems in US and Central America visit the UNHCR website and their two most recent reports “Women on the Run”and “Children on the Run”.

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    There is no debating that people are fleeing because of the violence.
     
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    And yet 90% of them do not qualify for asylum. Wonder why? (rhetorical)
     
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    As Amnesty points out: "the violence in NTCA is not classified as a state/interstate conflict"

    Refugees without money to hire lawyers have to make a case in overworked immigration courts that being returned to their country will result in violence, rape, or death.

    I don't believe in open borders. I do believe as Christians who are blessed to live in this country that we cannot ignore the suffering of Christ in other people.
     
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    We cannot assimilate anymore refugees. We are on the verge of fiscal collapse. Latin America has always been corrupt and violent.

    The left wants cheap labor and cheap prostitutes and illegal alien votes. It is a communist scheme and has nothing to do with Christianity as the left is atheist.
     
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    It is more nefarious than that. They are overrunning the border to overwhelm us on purpose. This is not just people fleeing danger. It is about fundamentally changing America.
     
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