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Trumps Commencement Speech to Liberty University

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Rippon

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Prove that nothing exists? The challengers must prove a positive --not the other way around.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Until Russia swallowed Crimea, the Ukraine public was split on NATO membership (although Ukraine does participate in some NATO programs), and its efforts to join NATO waxed and waned as administrations changed and pro- and anti-Russian politicians were placed in powe. European NATO members were concerned especially about oligarchical rule and stability; who wants to adopt a Poland and suddenly find out it's actually a little Russia.

Membership is especially problematic now. NATO members are concerned about many things; one is that it is not clear that Ukraine would be a dependable partner and not revert to the bad old days. Another is that Russian "volunteers" are already on the ground in the eastern Ukraine and the Russians occupy the Crimea, which is recognized by the international community to be part of Ukraine. If Ukraine joined NATO, the alliance would in essence be officially embroiled in an existing war with Russia.

Ukraine has a limited free-trade agreement with the EU and is on a path to membership; full membership is plagued by the stability programs that have made NATO membership problematic.

Russia was loath to lose any of its buffer zone states to the West, but putting Ukraine into NATO would be to detach a region that Russia considered its own for at least two centuries.
Until Russia swallowed Crimea, the Ukraine public was split on NATO membership (although Ukraine does participate in some NATO programs), and its efforts to join NATO waxed and waned as administrations changed and pro- and anti-Russian politicians were placed in powe. European NATO members were concerned especially about oligarchical rule and stability; who wants to adopt a Poland and suddenly find out it's actually a little Russia.

Membership is especially problematic now. NATO members are concerned about many things; one is that it is not clear that Ukraine would be a dependable partner and not revert to the bad old days. Another is that Russian "volunteers" are already on the ground in the eastern Ukraine and the Russians occupy the Crimea, which is recognized by the international community to be part of Ukraine. If Ukraine joined NATO, the alliance would in essence be officially embroiled in an existing war with Russia.

Ukraine has a limited free-trade agreement with the EU and is on a path to membership; full membership is plagued by the stability programs that have made NATO membership problematic.

Russia was loath to lose any of its buffer zone states to the West, but putting Ukraine into NATO would be to detach a region that Russia considered its own for at least two centuries.

Thanks for the Intel
 

TCassidy

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I consider that life threatening to at least 23 Million.
How can it be life threatening for 23 million people when only 11 million people are covered under ACA?

And why would switching from windfall profits for the big insurance companies to a single payer plan that eliminates the big insurance companies be life threatening?
 

Squire Robertsson

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As someone who also has ties to the Former Soviet Union, here's my take on Ukraine. Kiev gave up the nuclear arsenal it inherited from the Soviet Union in return for guarantees of territorial integrity. The current occupants of the Kremlin have seen fit break these guarantees. The matter doesn't need to get nuclear. Kiev just needs to able to buy the conventional munitions it needs. Which the previous administration would not allow.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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How can it be life threatening for 23 million people when only 11 million people are covered under ACA?

And why would switching from windfall profits for the big insurance companies to a single payer plan that eliminates the big insurance companies be life threatening?

Pre Existing conditions
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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As someone who also has ties to the Former Soviet Union, here's my take on Ukraine. Kiev gave up the nuclear arsenal it inherited from the Soviet Union in return for guarantees of territorial integrity. The current occupants of the Kremlin have seen fit break these guarantees. The matter doesn't need to get nuclear. Kiev just needs to able to buy the conventional munitions it needs. Which the previous administration would not allow.

would we sell them to them?
 
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