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  1. JesusFan

    JesusFan Well-Known Member

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    Think that our friend is stating to us that the salvation done for us by God means that like in Romans 8, from start to finish if fully of the lord, and we really contribute nothing in the salvation process
     
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    Much of the theological problems within the local churches come form a basic disbelief in the full infallibility of the Bible, and a denial of basic biblcal doctrines!
     
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    You are a fellow Calvinist yourself, correct ?
     
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    The worst part is, what is being disbelieved is not being understood correctly. The only one any of us can fully deal with is ourselves.

    Believing what is not actually true does not make it true. Denying what the word of God actually says and so means does not make the true meaning not true.
     
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    Many in churches are postmodern in their thinking, and even standard core doctrines are being set aside today!
     
    #105 JesusFan, Jan 20, 2022
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    2 John 1:9, ". . . Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. . . ."

    1 John 5:1, ". . . Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God . . . ."

    Jude 1:3, ". . . Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. . . ."
     
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    My history on Soteriology: Raised “OSAS Arminian”. Became Infralapsarian Calvinist. Retreated to Amyraldist. Embraced Supralapsarian Calvinist. Bailed on anything related to Reformed doctrine. Left formal Church Ministry and Denominationalism for Para-church Ministry. Despised shallow Non-Denominational doctrine. Despised my own Theological Illiteracy. Began 20+ year study of Biblical Languages and Theology. Returned to Denominationalism. Embraced Biblical Monergism from the Lutheran perspective devoid of Ordo Salutis and Limited Atonement.
     
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    Sounds like you learned a lot of labels. Did you learn of Jesus?
     
    #108 Aaron, Jan 26, 2022
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    Do you agree with Baptismal regeneration as they would hold to?
     
    #109 JesusFan, Jan 26, 2022
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    Pardon me for butting in but I heard an Old Line/Old School (Hardshell) Sovereign Grace Baptist preacher who is now with the Lord says this... If the candidate for baptism ISN'T REGENRATED before the are immersed in the baptismal waters, they go in a dry devil and come out a wet one... Brother Glen:)

    From one old timer to another, hello Aaron
     
    #110 tyndale1946, Jan 26, 2022
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    Hey. :)
     
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    If I said this to you, you’d likely take it to be quite condescending and adversarially accusational. I see this forum is no different than other venues in that regard. This comment/question frames everything that is wrong with modern Christendom. But please continue thinking highly of yourself and lowly of others, especially soteriologially.
     
    #112 CONSPICILLUM, Feb 9, 2022
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    Wow, there's lots o'big wurds there. We be but humble plowboys. Was that a yes or a no?
     
    #113 Aaron, Feb 9, 2022
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    You’re not humble at all, my good sir. Bye.
     
    #114 CONSPICILLUM, Feb 9, 2022
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    And you're not pompous at all.:Thumbsup
     
    #115 Aaron, Feb 9, 2022
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    I can sympathize with a weaker stand on "Limited Atonement" because the case from Scripture really is 'circumstantial'. There are a lot of "worlds" and "all men" in verses that require gymnastics to reach the WCF conclusions. There are just too many "His sheep" type verses to drink the Kool-Aid and embrace "Universal Atonement".
     
    #116 akshaytees8, Feb 25, 2022
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    A few facts. 1) The word of God does not teach any kind of universalism. 2) Jesus gave His soul to save His sheep. 3) Jesus included lost Judas in His new covenant, Luke 22:20-21. ". . . in my blood, which is shed for you. . . ." And Judas was never saved.
     
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