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Unions in Debt

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Jun 10, 2009.

  1. LeBuick

    LeBuick New Member

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    Bush bought Fannie, Freddie, AIG and the auto industry. Bush was the one who gave GM and Chrysler money from the TARP. Bush is the one who first declared AIG an other banks too big to fail.

    I am not defending Obama or calling him perfect but the Republican's need to also take credit for their actions. You somehow think McCain wouldn't be doing most of what you see Obama doing? Sure, a little different but intervention just the same.
     
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    McCain? When did he change parties?

    Oh. never mind.

    :D
     
  3. LeBuick

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    Republican's started buying private companies and the democrats continues. Why would McCain need to switch parties?
     
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    I find it truly amusing that someone of your accomplishments would feel qualified to judge Rick Wagoner business decision making abilities.
     
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    Who are these Republicans?
     
  6. rbell

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    Thanks for walking into my trap. You have illustrated what I have said so often...this isn't a D vs. R problem...but rather an issue of statist, socialist, and even fascist lines of thought vs. those who value freedom, individual liberty, and private enterprise.
     
  7. LeBuick

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    I think his record spoke for itself.

    It is not that he was captain when the ship sank, he was given a chance to present a plan to make it sail-able again and he failed.
     
  8. LeBuick

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    Anyone who voted for Bush and supported keeping that party in the WH.

    This includes me the first 4 years but I learned after we invaded Iraq with no exit strategy.
     
  9. LeBuick

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    The problem was D vs R were the two options on the ballot. I know Rev voted other but I believe most of you voted R if for no other reason but to be anti-D. Those were the ones who were confused since the D's took ownership from the R's on 1/20/2009 at noon. This means the R's started the trend of statist, socialist, and fascism for which Obama is being blamed.

    So I guess I need to ask, who is this party for freedom and who represents you in government?

    Also, pure free enterprise will never work for a society since the rich will keep getting richer and the poor will be taken advantage of. So we need some degree of government involvement to level the playing field and assure the poor meet a minimum standard of living. If not, we'd be just another third world country.
     
  10. targus

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    You are basing your opinion of Wagoner's ability to run GM on the rejection of a plan by the auto-czar who admitted that he knows nothing about running an automobile company.

    The whole auto-czar situation is nothing but politics.

    I also recall that the auto-czar decided that Wagoner had to go before there was ever a plan presented. He wanted a scapegoat.

    But of course none of that goes to my previous statement concerning the amusement that you provide to me with your gall to call Wagoner a "joke".

    Perhaps you could either list out your notable accomplishments either in the business or academic world so that I can verifiy your qualifications to make judgement calls concerning Mr. Wagoner - or you could be a little more respectful and humble in your future posts.
     
  11. rbell

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    I'm glad you asked.

    Unfortunately, there are very few real conservatives in government nowadays. I do have one: my senator, Jeff Sessions. Top-notch, he is.

    BUT...the chances of a Democrat fitting the bill are near zero. There are a few Republicans who hold my values up...but not a lot. Most are opportunists...saying the right thing until they get in power. But because of a few views (such as abortion, the scope of government regulation, government healthcare, and others), they aren't damaging this country as much or as quickly as their D counterparts.

    But there needs to be a whole lotta replacin' going on...


    I'm not an anarchist: Of course regulations must exist. But government taking over private business and running it is so far beyond acceptable that I can't believe anyone would approve of it. That's not capitalism. That sounds like a move the Soviets would do.
     
  12. LeBuick

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    So why do you associate with a party and vote for candidates who are not "real conservatives" or don't fit the bill? I see what you said about not damaging as quickly but can't help thinking of Bush' reviews and the congressional GOP's self criticism of, "we abandoned our values etc..."
     
  13. carpro

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    How any "Christian" could support and/or vote for Obama is beyond belief.

    Your glass house was just shattered.
     
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