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'US fearing exposure of Iraq war truth'

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by poncho, Oct 19, 2010.

  1. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I was soldier at one time. At one time I even thought our government run the country and politicians had our best interests at heart.

    Then I grew up.

    We aren't talking about earthquakes and tidal wave conspiracies here.

    We're talking about historically documented facts.

    Fractional reserve banking is a scam, fact!

    Global coroporations are inherently evil, fact!

    The global "war on terror" is a euphemism for operation "new middle east", fact!

    Speak to these facts.

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    poncho Well-Known Member

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    Washington implemented five major decisions during the last 65 years that turned public opinion in the Middle East against the United States and largely generated the conditions that led to the creation of al-Qaeda, jihadist warriors, and suicide bombers. We will describe these causes which ultimately led to the effects called terrorism, then, in part 3, conclude with brief "modest" proposals to rectify the situation.

    (1) The first of these decisions took place immediately following the end of World War II in 1945, when the U.S. chose to extend its hegemony throughout the Middle East, and thus prevent its essential wartime ally, the Soviet Union, from gaining a foothold. Washington's goal ever since that time — including the last two decades after the implosion of the socialist camp and the 16 months since Obama took office — has been directed toward establishing dominion over this petroleum-rich region to insure America's global preeminence.

    To accomplish this objective, the U.S. made deals with ultra-conservative monarchies in the region, offering them military protection and secure dynastic longevity in return for loyalty and concessions on oil supplies. Royal houses, such as exist in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and elsewhere, could have been swept away decades ago by their own people had they not been in America's protective custody. Washington's prolongation of monarchical rule has been a major impediment to democracy in the region.

    When the people prevailed, as in Iran in 1951 after an elected democratic government gained power, nationalized the country's substantial petroleum reserves, and replaced the monarchy with a republic, the U.S. and Britain launched a campaign for bloody regime change that by 1953 crushed democracy and restored the brutal Shah of Iran to power.

    Washington also continually interfered with republics, not just monarchies, supporting, protecting and enriching those which destroyed their political left wing and bent the knee to U.S. hegemony, such as Egypt, while subverting those leaning left, as in Iran in the early 1950s, or who simply insisted upon maintaining independence from American domination, such as Syria. This, too, stifled democracy and social progress.

    After 65 years of interference, Washington either controls or has considerable influence over virtually all the governments of the Middle East, with the exception of Iran, today's imperial target par excellence. Syria remains in the middle. Turkey, which is sometimes not geographically included in the Middle East, is a member of U.S.-dominated NATO and seeks Washington's support to enter the European Union, but has lately taken two positions totally opposed by the Obama Administration: It has sharply criticized Israel, which was considered Turkey's ally, over its invasion and imprisonment of Gaza, and this month joined with Brazil in a move calculated to head off harsh sanctions against Iran.

    In the process of gaining dominance over most Mideast regimes — the majority of which have remained undemocratic as a consequence — the United States has alienated the masses of people throughout the region.

    In response, given that the U.S. has demanded of its Arab protectorates that the political left and progressive secular forces be weakened or crushed in country after country, it has been the Islamic resistance which has filled the vacuum and taken up the national struggle against American domination and undemocratic rule. A relatively small portion of this movement is influenced by extreme fundamentalist ideology, and a still smaller sector have joined the jihad (struggle) initiated by Osama bin-Laden's al-Qaeda.

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    So far, the U.S. government, whether controlled by one or the other of the two ruling parties, has hoodwinked most Americans into actively or passively supporting its aggressive wars. This is surprisingly easy to do, not least because most of us Americans suffer not at all due to our country's violent and criminal adventures abroad. It remains the task of those who see through the distortions and propaganda to speak up and take a public stand in opposition. To do less is to be indifferent to, or complicit with, a gross iniquity.

    SOURCE

    So it isn't a simple matter of "who were we occupying on" such and such date. We've been meddling in middle eastern affairs for decades. You'd think by now they'd all love us for it wouldn't you?

    Okay Carpro, now you can go ahead and try to turn this into a "you just hate America" thing instead of addressing the real issue once again. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    poncho Well-Known Member

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    It is an unsettling concept is it not? And yet it is based on the truth and consequences of our decades of meddling in middle eastern affairs.

    I couldn't help but notice your screen name. So I hafta ask who's version of the truth R U 4?
     
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    Fractional reserve banking’s advantage when used by the central bank is that it is a tool for regulating the money supply, that being one reason it is used, and sanctioned by Congress.

    Back at post #42 you say "That's rich. When did you vote for a central banker?" as if we had somehow lost the right to vote for the Fed Chairman, but that has never been the case.




    Corporations are more known for their desire to make profits rather than being inherently evil.

    At #42 you said, "When did you vote for a global corporation?"

    The formation of multi-national corporations has never been subject to voter approval. That is a new concept.



    Fact - The Lockerbie bombing, the 1993 WTC bombing, the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing, the 1998 Kenya & Tanzania US embassy bombings, the 2000 USS Cole bombing, Bin Laden’s 1996 "Declaration of War against the Americans" and the Sep 11 attacks were all real live events.




     
     
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    Congressmen can be bought off and they were in 1913. The bankers made congress an "offer they couldn't refuse" the ability to borrow an endless amount of money.

    The chief advantage to fractional reserve banking besides the ability to legally print money out of thin air is that this magical ability can be and is used to transfer wealth upwards into fewer and fewer hands. Everyone in the USA is now required to pay off the massive debts that were created by private bankers who eagerly loaned their thin air to our government with real wealth.


    Again you miss the point. Even if we did vote for the "chairman of the board" we'd just be voting in favor of one crook over another to run a criminal enterprise that's chief advantage is to transfer wealth upward into fewer and fewer hands.




    I've already shown other wise. Their desire is to monopolize.

    You don't really understand the concept of being facetious do you?




    Fact - "Washington implemented five major decisions during the last 65 years that turned public opinion in the Middle East against the United States and largely generated the conditions that led to the creation of al-Qaeda, jihadist warriors, and suicide bombers." These were all "live events" as well. And they cannot be simply dismissed because the "terrorists hate us". There is a reason they hate us.

    And.

    Contrary to popular manipulated public opinion "they" do not hate us because of our freedom. And that's a fact!




     
     
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    Wow. That Globalresearch.ca is just a cornucopia of ready-to-cut-and-paste arguments for the Truther or just all around America hater. Great stuff huh?

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    They (terrorists) hate us for a reason? Then surely they must also hate Russia, considering that the Russians ruled numerous Muslin nations in Central Asia for a couple of centuries. And not only ruled them, but required those Muslims to serve in the Soviet military.

    And they must also hate China, who provided missile technology to Syria. And who were key weapons suppliers to Iran during the Iran-Iraq war. And who provided the Saudis with CSS-2 missiles in the 80’s when the US declined to do so. And who are now co-developing advanced fighter jets with Egypt.

    So much meddling. The difference just may be that terrorists know better than to mess with Russia or China, who might very well drop a tactical nuke in their back pocket.

    As Carpro said way back at #8, “Who were we occupying 9-11-01?”
     
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