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Walter Martin's "Kingdom of the Cults" declares Adventist are not a Cult and destroys Hoekema's book

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    Sabbath is rest not worship. These rules were given to Israel--not applicable to Gentiles. No one has ever kept them all, except Jesus, nailing them to His Cross.

    What is the difference between a Sunday Christian and a Saturday Christian?

    Where are the ones who hunger and thirst after righteousness?

    Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

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    Righteousness, is Christ Jesus, bringing us into obedience to His Law, the opposite of sin [which is transgression of His Law, the Ten Commandments, 1 John 3:4 KJB].

    It's looks very much like you didn't bother to read the scripture [KJB] I cited, otherwise you might have done better to respond to it:

    "... Yes. Matthew 2:13-15; citing Hosea 11:1 KJB [Jesus is the true Israel, even as He is the True David, Adam, Solomon, etc, etc.Jeremiah 30:9; Ezekiel 34:23-24, 37:24-25; Hosea 3:5; 1 Corinthians 15:45-46], turn then to Hebrews 2:9-13 KJB, which in verse 13, cites Isaiah 8:18 [read Isaiah 8:8-20 KJB], therefore we know who Jesus [Israel's] children are, in Isaiah 8:16 KJB, as he says of them, "my disciples". Consider the NT texts which Jesus over and over again calls them "my disciples", and even "little children" [Matthew 12:46-50; Mark 14:14; Luke 14:26,27,33, 22:11; John 8:31, 13:35, 15:8 KJB, etc], Thus we know who the "children of Israel" is in referring to Exodus 31:13-18 KJB, and who is to keep the sabbath holy, as it is written, that there are two [not one] Israels:

    [1] Israel after the flesh which are not the children of God [Romans 9:6-8; 1 Corinthians 10:18 KJB]; [Head, ruler, Jacob, son of Isaac] Genesis 32:28, 35:10,21; [body, peoples] Genesis 32:32, 35:22; Israel, the person, is as a “king” which is a head or ruler [Joshua 11:10; 1 Samuel 15:17; 1 Kings 1:35, 1 Chronicles 11:2; Psalms 105:20 KJB], over a body or kingdom/land [Isaiah 62:1-5 KJB]. The two [king & kingdom/land] are two things, yet joined, as husband and wife, or Head and body, Father and children, etc. and

    [2] the Israel after the Spirit, Jesus Christ, and His children and body [Galatians 6:16; Hebrews 10:13; Romans 9:8 KJB', as it is written, first the natural, then follows the spiritual [1 Corinthians 15:46 KJB].
    But if we consider Isaiah 56:1 KJB, and ask who is "my salvation", and "my righteousness", we can go to the NT texts and know that it is Jesus [Matthew 1:21; Luke 2:20; Acts 4:10,12, see also Isaiah 46:13, 51:5,68,8; Psalms 119:172; Isaiah 48:18]. Then if we jump down to Isaiah 56:8 KJB, we see that it again refers to what Jesus is doing in the NT, as per its fulfillment in John 10:16 KJB. Then all one has to do, is to go back, and read the context between Isaiah 56:1 and Isaiah 56:8, by reading Isaiah 56:2-7, which mentions the "everlasting name", God's "my covenant" [which is the eternal, everlasting and also called New Covenant], and who is to join themselves unto the LORD, the Gentiles.

    Thus for the fulfillment of those Isaiah 56 passages, we turn again to the NT, and read Matthew 10:25; [Malachi 1:6]; Luke 6:40; “... the Gentiles are turned to God:” - Acts 15:19 KJB, “That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called ...” - Acts 15:17 KJB, not to cast away the Tabernacle of David, no, but to build it up, see Acts 15:16-17; Amos 9:11-12 KJB, for God had winked at the ignorance of all men in the past, but now commands all men everywhere to come to Him in repentance, and come into obedience to His Law, see Acts 17:30 KJB, see Acts 4:24, 14:15-16; Revelation 10:6, 14:6-7; 2 Peter 2:21; Revelation 12:17; 14:12, 22:14 KJB.

    Then compare Exodus 20:8-11, especially verse 11, and align it with Nehemiah 9:6, Psalms 146:6; [Jews] Acts 4:24; [Gentiles] Acts 14:15-16; [all peoples] Revelation 10:6; 14:6-7; and back again to the Gentiles repenting and coming into obedience unto God's Holy commandment [Exodus 20:8; 2 Peter 2:21 KJB], in Acts 13:42-44; Acts 16:13, 18:4,11; Acts 15:21, 17:2 [compare Luke 4:6 in language]; 17:3-4; and also in Hebrews 4:2,4,9,10; Romans 11:26; and then follow it to Isaiah 58:1,12-14.

    John 10:35 KJB, unbreakable..." - Walter Martin's "Kingdom of the Cults" declares Adventist are not a Cult and destroys Hoekema's book
    And here - Walter Martin's "Kingdom of the Cults" declares Adventist are not a Cult and destroys Hoekema's book

    And also here - Walter Martin's "Kingdom of the Cults" declares Adventist are not a Cult and destroys Hoekema's book
     
  4. BobRyan

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    1. "The seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD" Ex 20:10
    2. The Seventh day Sabbath is "a day of holy convocation" Leviticus 23:2
    3. "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to bow down" Isaiah 66:23
    4. Jesus was resurrected on week-day-1 Sunday... which means everyone knows what day is the 7th
    5. Exodus 16:23 "tomorrow is the Sabbath"


    The bible says it is both - as the post you just quoted proves.

    Until you read the actual Bible.

    3. "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to bow down" Isaiah 66:23

    Isaiah 56:6-8
    6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
    To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
    To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the Sabbath
    And holds fast My covenant;
    7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain
    And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
    Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;
    For My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations.
    8 The Lord God, who gathers the dispersed of Israel, declares,
    “Yet others I will gather to them, to those already gathered.”

    Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND"

    Not an argument for "taking God's name in vain" or committing any sin against the LAW of God. The LAW written on the heart under the NEW Covenant - includes the TEN Commandments as even the "Baptist Confession of Faith" freely admits.
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    One "notices the details" in the Commandment of God regarding the sanctified blessed weekly holy day (the 7th day is the Sabbath of the Lord Thy God).. the other ignores it.

    One can defend their practice "sola scriptura" the other can't.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Psalm 119:172
    My tongue shall speak of Your word, for all your commandments are righteousness.

    In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God. John 1:1

    I AM the way the TRUTH and the LIFE - John 14

    Christ did not come to earth to declare war against Himself, or war against His own Word.
     
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    Thread about to close - so am starting a new one to continue from the OP
     
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