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Was MLK Jr. a Christian? -- Part 2
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Incredible!! "I have seen the promised land, but I may not be able to get there with you..."
Those professing Christians who advocated slavery and segregation betrayed Christ, giving lip service to our love of our siblings in Christ, and doing unto others as we would want them to do unto us.
"“Like anybody, I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place. But I’m not concerned about that now. I just want to do God’s will, and He’s allowed me to go up to the mountain. I’ve looked over and I’ve seen the Promised Land. I may not get there with you, but I want you to know tonight that we as a people will get to the Promised Land! So, I’m happy tonight. I’m not worried about anything. I’m not fearing any man. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord!”
Twenty-fours later, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr was dead.
Twenty-fours later, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr was dead.
canadyjd
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Beautiful speech by MLK, Jr., but it doesn’t change the fact he was in Memphis to support unionization of sanitation workers not the cause of Christ. He wasn’t killed because he was a Christian and you diminish all Christian martyrs when claim he was.
BTW, I believe that those that supported slavery and segregation betrayed the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Apostles that Christians, whether make or female, slave or free, Jew or Gentile are equal before God and should be unified for the cause of Christ in the world.
Peace to you
Gandhi sacrificed his life for India. He based his non-violent philosophy in Jesus sermon on the mount. He considered Jesus to be one of a pantheon of gods.
MLK took his philosophy from Gandhi. He couched his language about Jesus in a way that shows he never thought Jesus was God. In his private life he cheated on his wife time and time again.
Exactly what part of his teaching and actions demonstrated he knew Jesus as his Redeemer? Certainly he thought of Jesus as a good man who had tapped in to the divine essence, but he never once taught his congregation that Jesus is God incarnate who has died, been buried and rose again as an atonement for all who would believe.
Van, you have been shown the evidence. You just refuse to reconcile the clips of MLK you've seen on TV with the documents MLK wrote.
How much money did MLK jr charge to go to Memphis TN? $10K
I worked w several and I mean several fine Christian people in Memphis, some who’s husbands were pastors in predominately black churches, and they had very definitive words for him and none were “a good a Christian or good Christian Pastor” in any way
especially Wanda. He or one of his cohorts specifically told her husband that the $10K was non negotiable and that’s when they bailed on the whole thing
Others would not comment
yeah, they were black folks
I worked w several and I mean several fine Christian people in Memphis, some who’s husbands were pastors in predominately black churches, and they had very definitive words for him and none were “a good a Christian or good Christian Pastor” in any way
especially Wanda. He or one of his cohorts specifically told her husband that the $10K was non negotiable and that’s when they bailed on the whole thing
Others would not comment
yeah, they were black folks
canadyjd
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I have seen no evidence you are qualified to judge Christ's servants.
Yet another empty sack post, offering nothing. Folks, note how the Left has brain-washed several posters with malice toward freedom and hate for those trying to serve God.
Those professing Christians who advocated slavery and segregation betrayed Christ, giving lip service to our love of our siblings in Christ, and doing unto others as we would want them to do unto us.
"“Like anybody, I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place. But I’m not concerned about that now. I just want to do God’s will, and He’s allowed me to go up to the mountain. I’ve looked over and I’ve seen the Promised Land. I may not get there with you, but I want you to know tonight that we as a people will get to the Promised Land! So, I’m happy tonight. I’m not worried about anything. I’m not fearing any man. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord!”
Twenty-fours later, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr was dead.
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How many people were saved under MLK ministry
How many people were baptized by MLK
How many churches were organized by the churches pastored by MLK
Granted those stats are not the only ones that determine how effective you are, but
it does give you a good ideal.
Makes me think of a Baptist preacher here in the Syracuse area. He had been rather effective as a pastor. But then the abortion issue took off. Specifically, Operation Rescue. He got very involved. So involved that he spent a lot of time in jail! Way too much time in jail. Later he was given some kind of order to cease and desist. Well, this pastor took this order (from a judge) stood at the top of steps at the county courthouse - and tore his order up. Well, it ended up - at least 3 groups split off his church - of which none remained after 5 years. The original church went from 200 down to 50 - then over the next few years to 20 people - after 2 separate mergers they didn't do much better. Yep, Syracuse had their own version of a MLK - and that church, now well over 100 years old; that had quite a ministry in the past......
On the other hand - take our Director of missions - When he arrived - the BCNY merged two associations. Our new association had no more than 20 churches. When he left about 20 years later- we had over 50 churches! Including one that the DOM was the pastor of!
Now back to MLK:
King first studied communism on his own while a student at Crozer Theological Seminary in 1949. In his 1958 memoir, he reported that although he rejected communism’s central tenets, he was sympathetic to Marx’s critique of capitalism, finding the “gulf between superfluous wealth and abject poverty” that existed in the United States morally wrong (Stride, 94). Writing his future wife, Coretta Scott, during the first summer of their relationship, he told her that he was “more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic. And yet I am not so opposed to capitalism that I have failed to see its relative merits” (Papers 6:123; 125).
King began preaching on “Communism’s Challenge to Christianity” in 1952, repeating sermons on the same theme throughout his career and including one as a chapter in his 1963 volume of sermons, Strength to Love.
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And of course, MLK was a womanizer. Not someone, I would want as my pastor.
"On June 30, 1974, as 69-year-old Alberta Williams King played the organ at a Sunday service inside Ebenezer Baptist Church, Marcus Wayne Chenault Jr. rose from the front pew, drew two pistols and began to fire shots. One of the bullets struck and killed King, who died steps from where her son had preached nonviolence. The deranged gunman said that Christians were his enemy and that although he had received divine instructions to kill King’s father, who was in the congregation, he killed King’s mother instead because she was closer. The shooting also left a church deacon dead. Chenault received a death penalty sentence that was later changed to life imprisonment, in part due to the King family’s opposition to capital punishment."
There is no doubt MLK Jr had flaws, but to claim he was not trying to be a servant of Christ is nonsense.
No one is advocating that the Virgin birth of Christ is not true and basic Christian doctrine. Ditto for Jesus bodily resurrection from the tomb. Ditto for Jesus being God incarnate.
What I am saying is to judge him by his life's accomplishments as a servant of Christ and pay no attention to the Leftist propaganda being posted with malice.
canadyjd
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I guess the question is whether MLK Jr could be considered a servant of Christ based on his stated beliefs.
I have stated I don’t declare people are saved or unsaved and I am open to the possibility that God Holy Spirit brought MLK, Jr into a saving relationship with God on the morning he was killed.
My issue with your previous post is that you seem to indicate MLK, Jr was a Christian martyr, which really has no basis.
He was in Memphis to support the unionization of sanitation workers and, as someone else pointed out, demanded money for his presence. That doesn’t look like proclaiming the gospel to me.
peace to you
canadyjd
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Looks like Alberts King (MLK,Jr’s mother) died serving our Lord Jesus Christ.
Are you saying the beliefs of the parents are transferred to the children, no matter what the children say they believe?
You are referring to MLK, Jr writings as leftest propaganda. I suspect a lot of people will agree with you on that.
peace to you
LOL, since you do not know if MLK Jr was a born anew Christian, you also do not know if He is a Christ martyr.
Once again we have a poster being allowed to post disinformation. Malice toward truth?
Uh....yes we do. A Christian martyr is a Christian who dies for the gospel of Christ.
If I am assisinated for advocating equality between races then I am a Christian who died for my beliefs and for a good cause.....but I am not a Christian martyr in any biblical sence of "martyr".
I'd say the same of those earlier Christians who attacked Roman soldiers in order to die a "martyr". They did not die for their faith, but instead committed "suicide by cop".
This is especially true as MLK never indicated that he had divorced the teachings of Crozer from Christianity (instead he attributed Crozer as the crux of developing his theology.....again, in his autobiography).
canadyjd
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Oh No!!! I’ve been accused by Van of posting “disinformation” certainly I’m in fear of being cancelled. What shall I do??? Where can I run ??! Where can I hide???
Ok folks, just be clear. Van is saying anyone who questions his assertions… debates his statements…. Shows why his statements are wrong are guilty IN HIS MIND of having malice toward truth.
There is truly no reasoning with such a mindset.
peace to you
